Ahmedinejad Is Not an Existential Threat
by: H. A. Goodman on September 2nd, 2010 | 21 Comments »
“You don’t want a messianic apocalyptic cult controlling atomic bombs,” he said. “When the wide-eyed believer gets hold of the reins of power and the weapons of mass death, then the world should start worrying, and that’s what is happening in Iran.” Israel, Netanyahu told me, is worried about an entire complex of problems, not only that Iran, or one of its proxies, would destroy Tel Aviv; like most Israeli leaders, he believes that if Iran gains possession of a nuclear weapon, it will use its new leverage to buttress its terrorist proxies in their attempts to make life difficult and dangerous; and he fears that Israel’s status as a haven for Jews would be forever undermined, and with it, the entire raison d’être of the 100-year-old Zionist experiment.
Jeffrey Goldberg’s The Point of No Return, The Atlantic September 2010
Contrary to Netanyahu’s cries, Iran is not a crazy state… Of course, Israel’s own nuclear arsenal should be sufficient to deter Iran… Israel will still have a larger arsenal than any of its neighbors, including Iran, for years if not decades.
Bruce Reidel’s If Israel Attacks, The National Interest September-October 2010
Imagine that at some point next year, Israel destroys Iran’s nuclear facilities. Video of explosions in Isfahan, Qom, and other sites are endlessly replayed for a stunned world audience to see. Almost immediately, Russia and China contemplate a UN Security Council Resolution condemning the unilateral attack. Arab nations like Saudi Arabia, who stand to benefit from Iran’s momentarily weakened nuclear program, vehemently denounce the bombings. The United States, aiming to quell the ensuing political fallout, carefully distances itself from any involvement while simultaneously trumpeting the benefits of Israel’s decision. Then something takes place that foreign policy hawks rarely contemplate.
Iran declares war on Israel and conducts a well planned counterattack. Through recent Russian and Chinese arms purchases, in addition to years of planning a counterstrike, Iran launches a wave of Shahab-3 missiles at Israeli cities. Hezbollah and Hamas then fire their own rockets in solidarity with Tehran.
While Israel battles Iran and its proxies, the U.S. now faces the economic consequences of its ally’s decision. A third war in the Middle East causes a dramatic spike in oil prices. Despite Saudi Arabia’s attempt at taming a panicked market, oil prices surge with the new revelation that Jerusalem has been hit by an Iranian missile. Israel now openly discusses the option of using its own nuclear weapons.
With a confluence of events unfolding at light speed, global stock markets plummet due to uncertainty. The small gains made in the U.S. economy are now erased as a double dip recession hits, this time worse than the fiasco in 2008. Because of the turmoil, pundits on television and radio openly debate whether or not being allied with Israel is a wise choice.
Could this nightmare become a reality?
The danger in claiming an existential threat to further foreign policy objectives is that it elicits enough emotion to overshadow facts. The facts are that nuclear powers don’t engage in direct military conflicts with one another. Kenneth Waltz, one of the greatest living international relations scholars and a world renowned expert on nuclear proliferation, explained to the Boston Globe his views on a nuclear Iran: ”The only thing a country can do with nuclear weapons is use them for a deterrent… and that makes for cautious behavior.”
But what if the reckless Ahmadinejad gives nuclear weapons to Iranian proxies like Hezbollah? John J. Mearsheimer, another prominent expert on nuclear proliferation, has also given his viewpoint on the matter: ”Iran is highly unlikely to give nuclear weapons to terrorists, in large part because they would be putting weapons into the hands of people who they ultimately did not control, and there’s a reasonably good chance that they would get Iran incinerated.” In other words, giving weapons to terrorists would be no different from launching a nuclear attack from Iran, which would result in an immediate nuclear counterstrike from Israel or the United States.
Then there is the issue of Ahmadinejad calling for Israel to be “wiped off the map.” However, if you think the Iranian leader is crazy, he just might be “crazy like a fox.” As Fareed Zakaria aptly pointed out in Newsweek several months back, Shia-dominated Iran fears the mutually shared security objectives of Sunni Arab states and Israel: “It’s clear that Iran fears this potential alliance, which is why Ahmadinejad has worked so hard to present himself as the chief spokesman for the great Arab cause of Palestine. By spouting his nonsense about the Holocaust and professing his support for the Palestinians, he’s trying to make it harder for leaders in Saudi Arabia to effectively take Israel’s side in opposition to Tehran.”
As Kenneth Waltz and other pioneers in thestudy of nuclear proliferationhave stated, mutually assured destruction does not achieve foreign or domestic policy objectives. The mullahs in Tehran, like Kim Jong Il in North Korea, want to keep the power they currently possess. Suicide would result in them losing wealth, prestige, and their “entire raison d’être.”
With nuclear weapons, the existential threat that Ahmadinejad poses to Israel or the U.S. is only as real as the existential threat Ahmadinejad poses to Iran. In addition, it’s doubtful that his boss, Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, would want to relinquish the reins of power he’s held on to since the 1980′s by engaging in a nuclear conflict. Ayatollah Khamenei was in the Iranian government during the Iran-Contra Scandal when we covertly sold weapons to Iran, so at least we know he’ll work with his enemies if it suits him.



So why was Buddy Sadam – removed from power? – - – There should be a total disarmament across the Middle East. and – tough man rings built – and jump into them take care of the diffs.
Every Business ever aid – every thing bought – from anybody in the Middle east – should be stopped. and 1000% tarrifs. if anything is bought. Until – all the semits stop there sh!t – sorry about my language.
Really weird you know? The kind of World power house – They could build – if they would stop fighting over – who got blessed being the first born of Abrham? – Guess thats whats ment by – God tried to show Abraham – he already sacraficed his son – and your born into sin – Abraham – wouldn’t wait on the Word of God. Then with Moses. Who tent did he go too – The obedientChildren of God.
But 10,000 yr’s of stupidity – - – anybody really think – They learned anything yet ????
Don’t forget the biggest existential threat in the area is the United States and its allies who are still fuming at losing control of the Iranian Oil Fields! Iraq’s oil is why “his buddy Saddam” was removed from power and why we have the biggest embassy in the world in Baghdad. That is why we still have 50,000 active military, 70,000 contract mercenaries and over a thousand U.S. citizens still living in Iraq! Any other story is just “smoke and mirrors!”
The myth that nuclear powers do not wage war with each other has the same validity as the now defunct myth that nuclear energy plants are not dangerous. Both are true only in a perfect world. So long as fallible human beings are responsible for the decisions to go to war, those with nuclear weapons are equivalent to an incurable disease.
By the logic of the myths, we are safer then when more nations possess nuclear weapons. Sounds like that ought to be set to music in a singing commercial – “For peace of mind, build bombs. Brought to you by Better Bomb Builders Business Association and its greatest living world renowned experts.”
Well, I think it would be dangerous for Iran to possess Nuclear weapons. But I think it’s dangerous that Israel has nukes as well. The fact that the U.S. has more nukes than all other countries combined is dangerous. The fact that nuclear energy is still being sought out by powers worries me. It is only inevitable that some power, at some point, will drop the bomb. If it’s not the “Terrorist.” It may just be the U.S. We’re the only nation so far to use them as an act of war. And look what that did… Yes dropping those bombs ended WW2, but I fear that the next bomb will cause WW3. I really hope that Iran really evaluates it’s position with this nuclear potential. The injustices Israel has shown to it’s neighbor Palestine is the main reason why nations like Iran want to go to total war with Israel. How many more have to die, for a lasting peace to be achieved? I pray that Iran and Russia really think about the potential risks with nuclear energy. Chernobyl anyone?
Juan,
Look at a map and come back and tell us if the Palestinians are the neighbors of Iran, They don’t even share the ethnic heritage, a tie that usually bind groups. Iran’s threats towards Israel are part of a larger neighbors. .
Israel’s possession of nukes is the ony reason why its neighbors would not try to collectively invade it. I support it as a deterent. As for Iran, no one is saying the country is crazy nation, only its president and the clerics who control it. Iran’s nuclear weapons program, under control of its current leadrship, is not only an existential threat to Israel but to te whole region. Some of Israel’s neighbors realize it as well. That said, it is had to envisin a scenerio tha can safely halt iran’s nucelar progam.
Finally just something word of note. While we all hope for successful outcome of peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians, Iran’s leadershlip will do all it can through its proxy armies to sabatage those
It is kind of questionable why Iran has to possess nuclear power even if it’s true of what they are claiming that “nuclear power will only be used for energy in their nation.” Iran has rich oil reserves and does not probably even need a nuclear plant to supply their nation with energy. If they have money to squander in possessing or building a nuclear facility, why won’t they just use their money or financial resources on helping their neighbors like the poor people of Afghanistan and other neighboring nations or at least use their money to achieve peace with all people who were born or for those who wants to live in the Middle East. If truly they are peace loving citizens of the world, they don’t have to measure up with those of their neigbors who have nuclear weapons. Possessing nuclear weapons just to depend yourself does not really amount to bravery or courage much more than a means to secure your national boundary. Those who would think so are doing this because of fear and fear is not the best ally each one or our society or other nations to have just to prove to the world that one’s self or a nation will be safe. Peaceful loving people should start educating people of this kind of mental or psychological tendencies to return to love and understanding and that harming others in any other way, either physically, mentally, emotionally and spiritually is not the best or fastest way to achieve harmony and peace that each and everyone of us on this planet are tyring to politically achieve. Peace and Love to all.
Mel
In order to teach someone, they would have to be a willing subject. I would not call Ahmadinejad a willing student.
What you say is based on am assumption that all people
Think alike. It has begun to be clear that the war between
The west and Islam has woken from it’s respite.
Is the risk of being wrong worth the effort of unilateral
Non proliferation?
What is the criteria for the returning to earlier borders?
What is the criteria for peace when it has never been achieved?
We might need to evaluate peace in a post secular world which we have not done.
We are post enlightenment and post liberal as well as post imperialist.
Hello Everyone,
Thanks for all your feedback. One of the main reasons I wrote this column is because I don’t think the cost/benefit analysis is on the side of bombing Iran. Even Secretary of Defense Gates says that taking out Iran’s nuclear facilities would only postpone them only for a matter of several years before they resume their program. The fact of the matter is the nuclear genie is aleady out of the bottle, and no amount of air strikes can prevent a country determined to build the bomb. Furthermore, I do agree with people that Ahmadinejad and Iran do indeed pose a threat, but not a threat worth the potential military, economic, and political consequences for both Iran and the U.S. that would result from a THIRD war in the Mid-East.
Ahadinejad is a threat to Israel. The mullahs having access to nuclear weapons absolutely increases this threat. However, launching a nuclear weapon at Israel means the complete destruction of every single city in Iran, starting with Tehran. And keep in mind that the mullahs and Ahmadinejad don’t send THEIR children as suicide bombers or missions, they send other people’s kids. Thus, when the prospect of all their power, money, and lives hang in the balance, people like Ahmadinejad always opt for self preservation. That’s why in my book, he’s not an existential threat to anyone, although he does pose danger to Israel and other countries.
Yes it is a threat. I would not ant to see a strike unless i was 100% sure of its effectiveness, because I know that Hezbollah would jump in and shower Israel with rockets. I’m not sure of the solution except for the mullahs somehow losing their power in Iran. i do know that Israelis have justifiable fears of being under both a nuclear threat frfom iran along with a conventional rocket threat from ther proxies in Lebanon.
This is an interesting thread, and yet something is missing.
Basically, I agree with the author of the article: any attack on Iran would be too painful and expensive from any point of view and for everybody.
Therefore the stakes must lie elsewhere, as experienced imperialist powers such as the US and Israel must be up to something else, and not just persuading Iran against a bomb that it is too far from producing. The game is regional power. Israel, as the main power in the region and US surrogate to keep the remaining states under, is seeking to keep its hegemony, whereas the US, who is involved now even with manpower in the area, is seeking to have the guarantee that Iran is not going to interfere in either Afghanistan or Iraq, and beyond, now that the US is bound to withdraw (sooner or later), even though such a prospect is futile considering geography… The scope as always is strategic, especially in terms of control of the oil sources.
I deeply dislike the regime in Iran, and behold with alarm that US and Israeli harassment is strengthening it, as the regime, highly despised and opposed at home, is using all that to assert its legitimacy, that it lost long ago. It is obvious that everyman in Iran understands that Iran is entitled to nuclear energy, like everybody else, and that the only reason for Western mobbing is to keep the country in a condition of underdevelopment. All Iranians, whether sympathetic to Ahmadinejad or the opposition, Green or otherwise, remember painfully Saddam’s gas, they know that a deterrent would play wonders against such vicious attacks. Which is why, apart from prestige and modern needs -such as nuclear medicine- there is a national consensus in Iran to own the availability of a nuclear deterrent. This doesn’t mean the possession of say 200 nukes, like Israel (the major destabilizing factor in the Middle East, just in case somebody forgot it), but what technically is called a “latent” bomb, i.e., the capacity to build the bomb at short notice, just in a few days, if attacked.
This likelihood (and we are in the realm of future assumptions) is what makes nervous the imperialist camp: they enjoy having defenceless countries which cannot withstand an attack if their bosses ever deem it profitable -see Iraq. The fact that independent countries be able to assemble a nuke in the matter of a few days is intolerable because that fact makes an attack risky.
The best the West, including Israel, could do should be to negotiate with Iran a reasonable nuclear development, and stop buttressing the regime with so much threatening rhetoric. Unless that is what they actually wish, as a democratic government, with a popular support would certainly turn into the worst nightmare for the West: better a discredited regime, than a regime à la Mussadeq…
Enrique, just how imperialist Israel?? I mean, are they planning on colonizing other lands? Are they buidling a vast empire?
“The best the West, including Israel, could do should be to negotiate with Iran a reasonable nuclear development”
Western powers have been trying this for many years
Of course rational leaders don’t use nuclear weapons as long as mothers offer up sons to strap on semtex.
As a matter of discussion, it might prove invaluable to encourage ALL Jew & Christian people of good will to carefully read Quran passage: Sura 9:29-30, and speak with their Muslim friends about it. Politely.
As we slide into the Oil Interregnum, one fears rationality shall be an early casualty. Some wiser family heads will take quiet & effective precautionary steps, such as listed in Energy Expert Richard Heinberg’s “Museletter” 220 easily accessed on the web. Expecting such a worklist from Chicago politicians may prove too much of a stretch, so America continues in the Middle East, with the Oil hook in her jaws.
Quick look above did not reveal talk of voluntary motor fuel rationing, quickest & most effective means of preventing hostilities. Too bad, we want our oil and peace too. Plus, meddling in the affairs of Israel is counterproductive (Genesis 12:3) and has already been part of US difficulties. More unpleasant things to come.
Bet on pre-emptive strike. Bet on motor fuel rationing. Bet on US calling in gold, attempting to rehab dormant rail lines to offset trucking crisis. Too bad leadership lacks nerve & skill to impose rationing before the shooting starts. MUSELETTER 220 is worth reading, share with all comers…
The behavior of governments are speculative guesses BUT. With prevailing wind currents and the proximity of the Iranians and Israelis, it just might be too self destrucuctive for any of the Middle Eastern Countries to actually use these nuclear weapons they talk about. Taliking about them and getting their enemies to think and talk about them is the only use of these very expensive weapons.
I just might be right and if I am wrong-they will all die a gruesome death, but they already know that, so I probably am right.
Arnold, your talk of expense as a factor, which I dismiss as too rational, reminds me that Russia ended up having lost a significant share of its enriched uranium during the economic shakeout and collapse of the USSR. Likely it was sold off to anonymous buyers.
Who knows where that material went? It is not in the hands of an orderly civil government. The more nuclear power, the more likely such dangers without an independent global watchdog. We are not playing with fireworks. That stuff is the most toxic substance one can imagine. It is true that we cannot now unlearn atomic weaponry. We have yet to learn how to safely control it.
One aspect that no one has yet mentioned is that Iran has five nuclear neighbours, not one. Pakistan, India, Russia, and China are all about as close to Iran as Israel is, and all have nuclear weapons. Having neighbours like that, particularly given Pakistani instability, can only be an incentive to Iran to also acquire the bomb. It’s a bit of an over-simplification to depict the players as only Iran and Israel.
Peter,
Pakistan’s instabilty is far more a threat to India than Iran.
David,
Instability offers enough threat for everyone. The Taliban/Wahabi Islamists of Pakistan are not well disposed towards Iranian Shia Islam, and if Iraq’s Sunni/Shia conflict flares up, Iran would be hard pressed not to come in and defend the Shia minority.
I’d agree that India is also threatened by Pakistan (stable or otherwise) and note that the death of Himalayan glacial melt, and the consequent decline in the Indus water flow is going to produce a huge crisis there in the immediate future. ( http://tinyurl.com/2fnk72h ) But that isn’t Iran’s problem….
Peter, do you ever here about threats from Pakistan in Ahmadinajad’s speeches? No. his focus is primarily on the west and Israel. If you are thinking Wahabi, why not turn towards its very source, Saudi. Yes, Saudi does see Iran a threat. Iran desires a Shia revolution in the Middle East.
Once again, Pakistan’s instability is more a concern for India. Please do not forget the unresolved Kashmir issue and the Pakistans ISI attempt to distabalize India through terrorism.
You mentioned china and Russia as threats. You do know the Russia is fueling Iran’s public reactor while China has invested heavily in Iran.