The Catholic Crisis: Part II: When faith is challenged, Catholics must grow up
by: David A. Sylvester on July 27th, 2010 | 39 Comments »
Many years ago, when I was struggling to understand the smoke-and-mirrors world of corporate journalism, a Washington, D.C., veteran passed on to me a bit of wisdom:
When I was a reporter, an old PR pro once told me something. He said ‘You come to the press conferences and you listen, and the first mistake you make is that you think we’re lying. You discover we’re not lying. Then you make a greater mistake. You think we’re telling the truth.’ (1)
In Part I of examining the Catholic Crisis, I tried to point out the problem with this greater mistake. We examined the falsity within the partial truths of the meta-stories in pop culture, these simplistic, black-and-white constructs that make the world safe and understandable. We picked apart the assumptions blended with facts in one of last week’s news story that made it seem the Vatican thinks the ordaining of women is as bad as priests who sexually abuse children.
Now, we turn to a more difficult side of the partial truth: the way in which it is true. The truth within the partial truth poses a challenge to human understanding, because it is so difficult to face that our mind wants nothing more than to jump to quick and easy explanations, to construct meta-stories of some kind. But if we do this, we avoid the paradox that can, with struggle, force us to mature.
To see how this works, we can leave the constructed stories of the pop media and look directly at two events:
The first is the case of Fr. Roy Bourgeois:
On August 9, 2008, Fr. Roy Bourgeois, one of the best known Catholic activists for social justice, attended and delivered the homily at the ordination of Janice Sevre-Duszynska as a Catholic priest in a ceremony held by Roman Catholic women trying to change the Church.
In so doing, the Roman leadership rejected a priest who has led one of the most important witnesses to Catholic Christian values in opposition to U.S. militarism. Since 1990, Fr. Roy has developed an annual vigil for the victims of U.S.-trained counterinsurgency campaigns in Central and Latin America at the gates of the army base where the military forces were trained.
Each November, this School of Americas Watch protest has grown to attract 10,000 to 15,000, including college and high school students, in what I think is the largest and most successful, sustained anti-militarism protest in the U.S. It took only four months for the Church leadership to cast out Fr. Roy and marginalize all his efforts for social justice.
The second: the case of Stephen Kiesle.
In 1981, Kiesle, a priest in the Diocese of Oakland, asked for permission to leave the priesthood. His request came three years after he had been arrested for molesting children at the parish where he was serving. He had been convicted of tying up and molesting two boys, aged 11 and 12 years old and had finished serving three years’ probation.
In early 1982, Oakland Bishop John Cummins sent the request to the Vatican to approve Kiesle’s request to leave the priesthood. No response. Cummins sent two more letters. No response. He spoke with Vatican officials directly during a visit. The response: The paperwork had been lost, please send again.

Pope Benedict XVI celebrates mass in Lisbon, Portugal, in May. (flickr.com/cc/M.Mazur/www.thepapalvisit.org.uk)
In 1985, four years after Kiesle’s request, Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger wrote back to ask Cummins to “consider the good of the Universal Church together with that of the petitioner (Kiesle).” Cardinal Ratzinger wrote that the case needed “very careful consideration” and “a longer period of time” since Kiesle was still young. It wasn’t until 1987 that the Vatican finally defrocked Kiesle.
This didn’t do much good. By then, Kiesle had become a youth minister at another church where he abused more children before he left in 1988. No longer a priest, he molested two girls in his mobile home in 1995 and was sentenced to six years in state prison in 2004. During his 15 years as a priest, Kiesle had molested at least 15 children. From his initial request to his defrocking, the Vatican took six years to act.
Four months vs. six years.
What in heaven’s name is going on? What does this mean?
At this point, the cultural meta-story becomes tempting. Maybe the New York Times report didn’t go far enough. Perhaps the Catholic hierarchy sees ordaining women as worse than sexual abuse. Maybe it is true that “the Catholic Church is a crazy mess” and it is run by rigid European men, “bitter old queens” as one blog put it, as a kind of religious Mafia, as another said.
We might conclude that Catholics, like myself, have been badly misled, our credulity manipulated by the clever seductions of con men. Perhaps this idea of being “a faithful Catholic” is nothing but a slogan, a way of belonging. Could it be that 1.2 billion people are caught up in a global trance, terrified by visions of hell deliberately conjured up to turn them into sheep?
Perhaps you might even agree with some of this.
Yet deep inside, something feels amiss. A slight twinge, an intuition tells me that this meta-story is not what it seems, that it is hiding an ulterior motive. What is this? I’m not sure, at least not yet.
Something is amiss because I have my interior experience that I cannot deny. In the Catholic Church, I encounter something large, invisible and magnificent. It comes through the Mass, the prayers and most of all, that moment when I take the Eucharist, the body and blood, and I feel my body absorb it like a flower feeling the flush of fertilizer.
I know without any doubt that this is a Church I can trust.
I also know without any doubt that it is a Church I can not trust – not in the way I would like. The two events above are only small examples of a long history of chaos and catastrophe within the Church stretching back centuries. The sexual abuse scandal is bad, but how about the Crusades, the Inquisition and silence during the Holocaust?
How about the pope who came to power by murdering his predecessor, or the popes who slept with their sisters and other men’s wives, or the pope who funded the Sistine Chapel by levying a tax on prostitutes as well as the priests who kept lovers? Or the pope who had eight illegitimate children and inaugurated what was called at the time the “Golden Age of Bastards”? Or the pope who held orgies and gave prizes to those who had the most sex?
How about the more than three dozen “anti-popes” who rejected the Roman pope and the Western schism when two popes competed for legitimacy? If you want to look into a chamber of horrors, look into Catholic Church history.
Like other Catholics, I’m caught between my love for the Catholic witness to the world, through the centuries, and my pain for the victims, all of them, also through the centuries.
My faith is challenged; it cannot remain as it was. It must change. But in what direction?
So I called Fr. Roy and presented him with these two cases and the Vatican’s overall response to abuse. He feels the same way I do:
“I’ve been struggling with this,” he said. “I’ve been asking, ‘What does this say?’ ”
Of course he is. We Catholics should be struggling. Thousands of children were hurt by men acting in our name. Their emotional and spiritual lives were crushed. By our Church. By our priests and our bishops. We would have to be doorposts not to be in a lot of pain over what has happened.
About five years ago, Fr. Roy told me he faced challenge to his faith in the Church. He was so disturbed by the sin of sexism and the refusal of the hierarchy to allow discussion of the ordination of women that he considered leaving. Some of his Catholic friends did leave and became happily adjusted to other denominations.
Then something clicked in me. I thought, why should I leave? This is my church too. They’d be happy if I left. They’d get rid of this trouble-maker.
Now, he has developed a different faith-relationship to the Church. He sees two churches, one of the people, one of the hierarchy. He says:
Our church leaders in Rome are not the owners of the Church. We, as a faith community are the owners of the church. As Catholics, we are taught the primacy of conscience. It’s our life-line to God. Conscience enables us to discern right from wrong. When we don’t follow our conscience, we are tormented.”
Even Pope Benedict XVI once said, Fr. Roy quotes:
Over the pope, there still stands one’s own conscience which must be obeyed before all else.
Philip S. Kaufman, a Benedictine monk, wrote:
“Obedience, even to the Pope, was always ruled by conscience. The great 13th century canonist Hostiensis wrote: “If the subject cannot bring his conscience into conformity with his prelate’s (which implicitly included the Pope), then he should follow his conscience and not obey… even if his conscience is wrong.”
Official Catholic teaching affirms this “primacy of conscience.” But it also says it must be a well-formed conscience. To form conscience properly, a person must seriously study the official Church teachings and give them the benefit of the doubt, the way you would take the opinion of a medical doctor seriously before seeking a second opinion. Then you study the Scriptures, take your question to prayer and then confer with a confessor and priest. After honestly undergoing this process of study and reflection, the Church recognizes that one is duty-bound to follow one’s sincere conscience.
The problem is that many people don’t do this. It’s easy to be tempted by two types of errors. In one, we reject the Church teachings we dislike out of hand, without reading them, thinking about them or discussing them with dedicated teachers. In doing this, we seem to confer on ourselves the infallibility that many would reject in the Pope.
On the other hand, we can also defer to the Church teachings without facing our own inner doubts and thoughts. We become like dutiful children who don’t want to go through the trouble of thinking for ourselves. This second error of slavish deference concerns Fr. Roy.
Many of us as Catholics never grow up to be adults. We remain as children. It’s always a struggle to grow up.
In fact, this kind of passive submission to domination is not genuine, and it violates the code of Catholic canon law regulating the operations of the Church:
Canon Law 748.1: “All are bound to seek the truth in the matters which concern God and his Church; when they have found it, then by divine law, they are bound, and they have the right, to embrace it and keep it.”
However, this search for the truth is not just a private affair. It depends also on a dialogue with the whole Church community, the world community. If the lay members of the Catholic Church convened a group of 100 representing the world’s laity, only 6 would come from the United States, perhaps only two or three would be liberal left-wing American Catholics.
The lay members of the Church include the agricultural workers in Mexico, the urban slum-dwellers of Brazil, the former monarchists in France and supporters of Franco in Spain, the pre-Vatican II pensioners in Ireland, the rural villagers in Africa or Asia. Every voice deserves a hearing, not just the voice of liberal Americans.
We might decry the Americanization of the world when it comes to the spread of McDonald’s and Starbucks but there’s more than a whiff of cultural imperialism in the assumption that the world should instantly adopt the latest ideas from modern liberal America. John L. Allen Jr., writes about “the complexities of setting policy in a global church” in the National Catholic Reporter, pointing out that:
the 67 million Catholics in the United States represent just six percent of the total Catholic population of almost 1.2 billion, meaning that 94 percent of Catholics in the world don’t automatically see things through American eyes.
At the center of this world church are the Pope and the bishops who have what is called the teaching authority of the magisterium. They are responsible for listening to and shaping the global dialogue over the presence of God through the risen Jesus among Catholics today. If anyone has attempted to hear, let alone follow God’s will, you know this is no small task. We might not agree, or even respect, how they are operating, but are we so sure we would do a better job?
You might object and say that the problem is in the job itself. The abuse of the Pope and bishops comes from the nature of hierarchy and the power that they derive from it. Maybe the thing to do is change the whole structure of the Church, democratize it the way the Protestant Reformation did and producing the ultimate democratic structure at the individual church-level like the Congregationalists in early America.
Here again, this easy solution short-circuits some realities. The loss of any central structure produces not just the endless fragmentation of the Protestant churches, but destroys the focal point for gathering together the dialogue of the world community. The Catholic Church believes God speaks through the whole community of the faithful, not through sub-communities or individuals by themselves.
Richard Gula, a well-known professor of moral theology at the Franciscan School of Theology in Berkeley, contrasts the disadvantages with the advantages of this centralization during a discussion of Church moral teachings.
In the Roman Catholic Church, the magisterium (the Pope AND bishops conferring together) is an institutionalized authority in matters of faith and morals. The great disadvantage of having an institutionalized authority in the church is that, if it does not function well in a cooperative and collaborative fashion, it can obscure the human character of the process of formulating a moral teaching.
The guidance of the Holy Spirit does not exempt the magisterium from the human process of gathering data, consulting, reflecting on the data, making a proposal, entertaining counter-proposals, doing more research and so on. Rather, the Spirit guides the learning-teaching process in the church in and through these fallible human efforts.
To obscure this process can result in creating an “extrinsic” authority for teachings. “Extrinsic” authority fails to recognize that a teaching is as strong as the thoroughness of the homework which produced it and the cogency of the arguments which support it.
However, the great advantage of having an “institutionalized” authority in the magisterium is that it provides a structure which can bring together, in a cooperative and complementary way, the experience and insights of various perspectives so as to reach as complete an expression of truth about the moral life as possible.
When the collaborative function of teaching is working well in the church, we reap the fruits of this advantage. We have known this in the documents of Vatican II and in the wide acclaim given to the American bishops’ pastoral letters in the 1980s.”
Where does this leave us in our search for a way to understand – and have faith in – this troubled church?
On a spiritual level, I think we are witnessing the very human conflict between king and priest on one side and prophet on the other. This conflict lies at the heart of much Jewish and Christian tradition. One might say Jesus lived out the tradition of the Jewish prophet, challenging the religious kings and priests of his day as the prophet Nathan challenged King David over his murder of Uriah for the sake of taking Bathsheba as a wife.
One way of seeing Jesus’ death – and there are many – is that he suffered the prophet’s death at the hands of the priests, just as Jewish prophets suffered throughout their history, just as today’s prophets, such as Fr. Roy Bourgeois, suffer at the hands of today’s priests, such as his persecutors in the Catholic hierarchy.
In my opinion, there would be a great advance in inter-religious relations between Christians and Jews, and an advance in Christian understanding of Jesus’ truth, if we Christians recognized that the tension of Jesus life had nothing to do with Jewish priests or Judaism at a particular time in history. Instead, Jesus died from the war between the world as it is and the world that is emerging, the tension between what the Jewish sages called ha’olam hazeh vha’olam haba. (העולם הזה והעולם הבא.)
So far we’ve been talking about other people. How about ourselves?
Don’t you find this same conflict between the priestly and prophetic in your own life? Have you ever been in charge of some structure, perhaps as head of a department or organization at work, or as a parent of a family with children, in which you must make decisions about daily functioning? And haven’t there been some people calling on you to change things with ideas that you resist because they seem so disruptive to the operation or question basic assumptions?
How about inside your own heart? Do you ever find some part of yourself clinging to the status quo, the world as you know it and fight against change, even necessary change you know you must make and yet for some reason find yourself unable to summon up the will or determination?
Even worse, have any of us woken up at some point in our lives to discover that we have been fighting tenaciously for values and beliefs that were actually self-destructive? Do we ever discover, to our horror, that we have been campaigning against exactly what would have been, in the end, the very best for us? Who among us, if we are really truly honest with ourselves as we examine our lives deeply cannot see the purification process, perhaps even what some of us might call a crucifixion, that we are experiencing as a necessary process in our journey from what is to what will be?
And to push this challenge a bit more: Is it possible that those “old European men” in Rome might have a prophetic side that challenges some of our own priestly attachments? Is it possible we have blind spots ourselves precisely in some of the beliefs we hold so dear? Maybe we suffer from a kind of First-World-itis, an entitled sense of agency and individualism that is less healthy than we think?
This might sound ridiculous. Those who identify with the liberal American left, like myself, can be pretty certain we’re right — so right that we might miss a note of triumphalism and condescension toward others. But it was exactly this tone in Michael Moore’s Fahrenheit 9/11 that alienated some of the voters during the Bush-Kerry campaign and swung them toward Bush, in spite of the film’s devastating indictment of his handling of the attacks.
I think we avoid this interior civil war between priest and prophet at our peril. If we let it, the faith-struggle will force us into a zone of ambiguity where we get stripped of the certainties that we have taken for granted. To me, in my Christian way of seeing things, I’m offered the bitter opportunity of taking up my cross of doubt and difficulty and allow my ego-attachments to undergo crucifixion. Yet I can do so only because, through faith in the example of Christ, I can trust that if I let myself fall into the abyss, I’ll sprout wings. My ego-destruction is not self-destruction but self-emergence. And I will emerge wiser and more mature.
This reveals the problem with the slick, cultural meta-story based on the partial truth: it gives us an easy out. It offers a quick by-pass from spiritual struggle with a pat answer. We get to skate over the surface of reality, never facing the troublesome depths. We can stay within the safe confines of our own mind. We don’t need to admit we’re lost and confused and need God in a radical way. We don’t have to grow.
Ultimately this is the crucial difference. The cultural meta-story allows me to stay stuck in life, just as the struggle for faith forces me to move ahead into a new reality. The ulterior motive of the meta-story is that it offers to lull me asleep; the faith-struggle wakes me up.
At this point, I took the paradox of these two events, the Church’s treatment of Fr. Roy and of Stephen Kiesle, into meditation, and asked in empty, hopeful waiting:
Where is the truth?
How am I being called to see this, and to respond?
I spent some time on this, and as I left my prayer mat, I became aware of my own ignorance about the layers upon layers of human history and thought that are coming into collision in this one moment. I also must confront a faith in the goodness of God yet a universe permeated by the incomprehensible mystery of evil, even in the Church.
Later on in the day, I was flooded with feelings I didn’t know I had. I was overcome with pain and grief, compassion and love, for the victims of the abuse, for the women frustrated in acting on their interior call to serve as priests, for the Catholic bishops trying to balance the voices they hear throughout the world and within themselves, and yes, for the pope, a human like the rest of us, torn between his own priestly and prophetic selves.
St. Paul compared the struggle of humanity to a woman laboring to give birth.
We know that the whole creation has been groaning in travail together until now; and not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have the first fruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait for adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. (Romans 8:22-23)
Everyone is groaning in travail as we await redemption in our physical reality. We are in the birthing room – and who would leave and retreat to the safety of waiting room, listening to the process, making snap judgments, insulting the participants and wondering why some just don’t walk out and leave others on the birthing table to die?
Perhaps this is the ultimate cost of the cultural meta-story and all the superficial judgments like it: they keep us from feeling the emotions of our labor. Perhaps the emotions themselves contain part of the answer I’m seeking.
Does this mean we should passively sit by with a box of tissues, and letting “events take their course?” Absolutely not! The process of this faith-challenge, this faith-confrontation leads us into a new understanding. We can act honestly and openly, with justice, not just vengeance. Whatever can be done, must be done so that victims find the peace of true healing and not just the continuation of the cycle of abuse targeted at someone else.
But action by itself will not circumvent the spiritual struggle. Something is purifying and transforming all reality, including the Church. Something is calling us Catholics to look more deeply into these visible layers of what we call the Catholic Church. We’re all being forced to mature into a genuine faith and place our hope in something more invisible, more mysterious and better than just merely good.
As St. Paul said next:
For in this hope we were saved. Now hope that is seen is not hope. For who hopes for what he sees? But if we hope for what we do not see, we wait for it with patience. (Romans 8:24-25)
TEXT NOTE:
1) Quote from Hodding Carter III, a Southern journalist who joined the civil rights movement, worked for Lyndon Johnson and became an assistant secretary of state under President Jimmy Carter. He became the public voice of the Carter administration during the time he held the briefings during the Iran hostage crisis.







I agree – One must grow up when – There being is challanged – Take My own GrandMother – re-educational relidious reservations across these United States – She grew uo fast – No matter how many beating her and the Other Children too – They grew up fast – And held Fast to there beliefts and Culture – Thats why the Children of that reliHidiuose forced conversion school in Ponca – Gave them the fortitude – and Now even today – our soungs and Culture was preserved – 630 Original POncas left – out of MIlions across the Northern Plains – For a promise of Peace – a Gift of Blankets of death .
Thanks for your thoughts. If I understand your post, I’d agree that the forced “education” of Native Americans was criminal imperialism. We are lucky that Native American spirituality survived, even if weakened and underground. I hope you see that I was refering to a different kind of growing up, different from learning to resist attack and abuse.
Once again wordy apology for evil.
Keep it up baby! You can talk away any nasty thing.
Hope that flower keeps blooming the crap you keep trying to polish into gold.
yuck
Hi Ben, I guess you didn’t find my thoughts very appealing. Oh well, but thanks for taking the time to comment.
Once again wordy apology for evil.
Keep it up baby! You can talk away any nasty thing.
Hope that flower keeps blooming in the crap you keep trying to polish into gold.
yuck
Interesting two parter. I remember doing all those gymnastics too when I was in religion. A tough road.
Hmm. And the same kind of thing doesn’t happen in any institution, like a political party, or a college, or a nonprofit, or even a corporation?
Hi Just Jack, the tough road has been my best teacher. I always enjoy your responses. Peace.
I think it is time for you to leave the Catholic Church. The current Vatican hierarchy is corrupt and will not change. In addition to everything else you discussed, this Jewish feminist will not forgive and will not forget that the current pope reinstated Bishop Richard Williamson, a Holocaust denier, because the current pope cares more about his bankrupt conservative theology than he does about justice.
Hi Marion, there are many people who agree with you and are leaving the Catholic Church. I wish them well. You are right on the facts; we just see their place in the overall mosaic of meaning differently. Re-admitting a holocaust denier into the Church is a huge issue. But I have a hard time finding any tradition of any religion, including Buddhism, atheism and secularism, as free of such issues. I’m not trying to convince you of anything. Those who need to stay away from the Catholic Church should do so. Our paths are holy, not specific institutions.
Having read both of these essays with some care, I come away with mixed feelings. I see the value in some of what is said here (and certainly regret writing my blog on this issue based on poorly cast or incomplete information from the NYT).
That said, I have a very hard time trusting the church as an institution on these issues. I’m not a Catholic (or even a Christian) and I’m sure that makes a huge, huge difference. I also suspect it makes a huge difference that I am a sociologist, a Unitarian Universalist (albeit one uncomfortable with the extremes of UU individualism), and a queer woman about to go through the seminary and ordination process in a denomination that fully welcomes me. So I do want to own my social location here and not presume that I speak from “nowhere.” None of us do.
But that also must mean that the Pope and the Catholic church hierarchy do not speak from nowhere. David Sylvester writes,” We don’t need to admit we’re lost and confused and need God in a radical way. We don’t have to grow” in describing what happens when we stay with the slick cultural meta-story. Fair enough. But when I see the church refuse to ordain women I wonder whether Mr. Sylvester would agree that the hierarchy is refusing to admit that it too is lost and confused and needs God in a radical way, that it too needs to grow. Even if some of the specific details that have been covered in the press are a bit wrong and the parallel between abuse and female priests is not precise in canon law, the initial concern raised by the many of us who are horrified by the announcement does not seem to me substantially mitigated. I wanted to see David prophetically call the hierarchy to account from the position of a faithful Catholic, on behalf of his savior, not just find many different (and thoughtful) ways to keep saying, “yes, but.”
The “yes, buts” are not necessarily unreasonable taken one at a time, but their net effect as I experience it is to largely forgive the church hierarchy and refocus attention on lay individuals more fully submitting to God. I’m all for more fully submitting to God. I just personally think that lets the hierarchy off the hook way too much. I don’t see a lot of evidence of Jesus letting hierarchies off the hook.
But I think the arguments made here may be undebatable because they are made from within a particular faith stance, and I understand that it makes me look churlish to challenge them from outside that worldview. I hope, therefore, that many of the other people who write in with some level of disagreement will be Roman Catholics, because I do think they are more authorized to speak about this.
Thanks for making us think, David. I suspect our goals are not different, just our perspectives.
Peace, Amanda
Hi Amanda, thanks for your response. I meant to let you know I was discussing your post, but let it slip. So I apologize for that. In an earlier draft, I did quote an interesting piece of your idea about a “pro-lives” ethic — and I’m sorry to have cut it for space. I hope readers spend time on your post. We need all the original thinking we can get to help understand and heal this terrible tragedy of priests who have damaged so many lives.
One of things I was trying to point out is Jesus’ life shows a basic reality: the priests can be the most deadly enemies of true spirituality, priests in all their forms no matter what kinds of robes they are wearing. If we look around the world, we see many instances of crimes being committed by the “religious” and sanctified by “priests” in God’s name. In my view, this is human reality. Jesus respected all the existing commandments, but he never was slavish or craven before church authorities — quite the opposite. The same goes for us. Yes, the Church needs conversion. Catholic catechism states this: the Church always needs further purification.
But Jesus was always respectful of priesthood as an institution. He himself has been called a priest, as well as prophet and king. So I agree with you that the Church, pope and hierarchy, need to be called to account prophetically. But the spiritual question is: what’s the spirit behind this calling-to-account? This is some of what I was trying to illuminate. Does it come from a spirit of justice, or a spirit of judgment and destruction? This is why I ask whether we understand the difference between justice and vengeance. In my view, vengeance hurts those who practice it. It inflames self-righteousness etc. Was Jesus’ direct challenges to the priests of his day destructive or tough love?
I also agree with you and hope you do NOT trust the Church in “these issues.” Part of what I was trying to say is that learning to know what to trust and what not to trust is a key step in maturation. In another context, don’t we at some point in adolescence discover that our parents are not trustworthy in certain ways? In the later stages of adult growth, I find I need to trust human reality less and less. I keep discovering deeper levels of imperfection.
It is fair to criticize my piece as overly subtle, and it may seem like an apology. I’m trying to show how the pop culture works in general. So I ask: why do we of the spiritual left — who would never trust the way the media frames certain issues, like Wall Street bailouts and the “war on terror,” — become so willing to accept at face value the framework of the reporting on other religions, like Catholicism? My answer is that we surrender our critical faculties on certain issues because we have unconsciously accepted the popular story.
In your post, I don’t think the way you accepted the media framework is important because your thoughts stand on their own. But many people use this media frame as a starting point for building a whole line of argument. As you can see, many people think the Catholic Church is evil. Such an assumption, which will be the prism through which the facts are seen, lead to a whole line of questions and conclusions that depend on this assumption.
On a personal note, to situate myself in the world, I grew up as a UU. I was very involved in what was known as LRY, a high school youth group known as Liberal Religious Youth, (although we mainly talked about existentialism and birth control) but never was a church-goer. (Incredibly boring.) In my spiritual search, I ended up becoming a “fallen away” UU b/c in a way, I rebelled against UU dogma and doctrine… which I found rigid and at times intolerant. This may sound strange, but explaining this would take too long. On the outside, the Catholic Church may look harsh and judgmental, but on the inside, Catholicism is incredibly nourishing and accepting. It has wonderful maternal energy, and sides openly and forcefully with the poor and suffering. This was not my own personal experience in the UU world, or the secular world. Our experiences may well differ.
Situating myself further, as a recovering reporter, I’ve had to learn to distrust empirical reality. In my experience, facts, surveys and data are often highly misleading indictors of reality. This may go against some of your sociological training. As a straight man once married and now divorced, I have not direct experience with the Catholic Church over homosexuality issues — but my prayerful reflection has led me to think the Church is wrong.
In 50 years, I hope it changes its position. I think it has confused the cultural with the spiritual. Anti-homosexuality in the Bible, in my opinion, really has more to do the need to resist the cultural imperialism of Hellenism, including its theater, nudity and homosexuality. We humans talk a lot more about sex than Jesus ever did. We also talk a great deal less than oppressing the poor, failing to help the sick and weak, and confronting the powerful than either Jesus or the Jewish prophets ever did. And besides, when straight people get their sexual lives in order, stop betraying, cheating, lying and using each other for pleasure, they can start lecturing gay people. Hypocrisy on an epidemic level.
On these issues, I would respect your own lived experience and theological reflection. And at the same time, for full disclosure, I haven’t read John Paul II’s massive Theology of the Body, and I haven’t studied other Church teachings. So my opinion is just my opinion. Part of what makes me Catholic is that I recognize I must listen respectfully to people I disagree with.
This is an overly long rely to your thoughtful response. Thanks for taking to time so share your thoughts.
Peace,
David
Thanks for the article. It is uncanny how close your reflections are to mine. The idea of Church being all the faithful, all the baptized, was affirmed by Vatican II and is critical for me.
All institutions have their own requirements and demands. This is true as much in the Catholic Church as it is for corporations, businesses, fraternal organizations, etc. Institutions require an hierarchy, try for compliance, teach the “party” line, but they are NOT the institution. The institutional soul of the Church, as in other organizations, lies in its members.
I try to live my conscience, be respectful to the needs of other, and represent my Catholic belief by how I live. Where it would cause harm, I try not to flaunt my approach to my faith but I live by my conscience-not someone else’s.
Closer to home, I have/had three brothers who are Catholic priests. They represent the full spectrum of approaches to the Catholic faith discussed here. They were/are all admirable and highly respected people. They all owned their faith and made it their lives – different approaches ALL grace-filed..
I couldn’t agree more: the soul of the Church lies in its members, all its members. I think part of the point of having so many points of view within one structure is that we must learn how to have dialogue with each other, even those we think are completely wrong. The Buddhists tell us that our opponents are our best teachers. A word to the wise, from the wise. Thanks for your thoughts.
Leaving the Catholic Church was one of the most liberating experiences of my life. I didn’t just leave quietly, I formally defected per canons 1086, § 1, 1117 and 1124 of the Code of Canon Law. I highly recommend it!
Mike, if leaving gave you a feeling of liberation and peace, then I’m sure it was right for you. Good for you for taking a stand for what you think and feel is right.
Thanks for the thoughtful post. I agree with most of it, but differ a little bit on a few details.
I’m where Father Ray is. I won’t abandon a tradition I find so rich and empowering but must divorce it from the hierarchial church.
To me Catholicism is essentially what the faithful have settled upon down through the centuries. I exclude from that things I believe are very sinful such as sexism and homophobia.
In your post, I identify with how hard it is sometimes to separate the sin from the sinner. Sometimes, I find it almost impossible to hate the sin but not the sinner. It’s easier to hate them both at the same time. And I often find it easier to be in the “vertical” community of faithful i.e. those who lived in previous centuries, like some of the saints, including Dorothy Day, than in the “horizontal” community of faithful, i.e. those alive now. Gotta go to where we get fed, I think.
As a Unitarian Universalist (UU), I have a lot of trouble with the statement in Sylvester’s Part II that “The Catholic Church believes God speaks through the whole community of the faithful, not through sub-communities or individuals by themselves.” Why assume that God cannot speak through sub-communities or individuals? And how can anyone say that the Catholic Church “provides a structure which can bring together, in a cooperative and complementary way, the experience and insights of various perspectives so as to reach as complete an expression of truth about the moral life as possible”? The people at the top of the Catholic hierarchy appear to me to do their best – today and throughout their history – to suppress discussion by those lower in the hierarchy and to ignore and denigrate the ideas and experiences of laypeople. It looks obvious to me that a Protestant, Jewish or UU denominational organization consisting of free-standing sub-communities is in a far better position to bring together the insights of various perspectives.
But I must say that I agree with Sylvester’s point that many of us experience conflict between the priestly (institutional) and the prophetic (moral and spiritual). If we don’t stand apart from the Church and condemn it as the Other, we can actually feel compassion for it and learn from its mistakes. This is a very useful insight.
Hi Emily,
As I said in a previous response, I’m a fallen away UU. And if you find a larger ecumenical dialogue in the UU fellowship, far be it from me to dismiss this. I strongly support you to go where you experience nourishment. In my own experience, I found the UU world to accept only a very narrow range of opinion, often what would be now called “politically correct” thinking. There seemed little serious engagement with the far conservative positions. And a lot of very toxic ideas were “tolerated” on the surface, but only on the surface.
More to the point, from my perspective — and again, I”m only speaking for myself — one of my big realizations when I became Catholic officially was about the primacy of relationship. At the core of the Catholic Church, in my opinion, very similar to the Jewish community, is a relationship. In a community that is focused on relationship, disagreements are part of the interior dialogue of the community. The way you disagree can be actually more important than the content of disagreement, a distinction that may not be apparent or discernible. Think of how a family functions. It’s ok to argue. It’s not ok to slam doors, throw things or hit while you argue.
I’m aware this may appear from the outside as somewhat counter-factual based on the way the Catholic Church appears to function. But once inside, I was very surprised to find how much radical disagreement is tolerated. In fact, the secret is: no one inside the Church agrees with anyone else!!
Pope John 23rd asked a Protestant delegation what was keeping the two communities apart. The Protestants said: “We have different ideas.” The pope said: “Ideas, ideas, what are ideas among friends?”
I’m a Catholic convert who was active in the church for about twenty years, but for the past several years I’ve been unable to sit through a mass without feeling rage. Actually the truth is I’ve been unable to get through a whole mass without walking out halfway through. I thought I understood that the church was “holy but sinful” and knew how to keep things in perspective. But the all-pervasive corruption I’ve seen after the revelations pertaining to the protection of pedophiles by bishops has blown away all my notions about what’s really going on. It’s all just so much worse than I could have believed when I was baptized, and it’s undermined my ideas about what the church really is or might be.
Somehow I keep finding that my faith has not entirely vanished though. Your reflections on mass media, meta-narratives, and the state of the church have given me a very great deal to think about. I feel like I’ve been waiting to read this for years. Thanks a lot.
(I wonder if you could find a canon lawyer who’s have dealt with church trials of faithful catholics who violated canon law by failing to actively seek the truth? Oh the irony.)
Frank, I totally feel for you. Disillusionment is really really hard. A lot of times, when I get radically disillusioned, I didn’t even know I had illusions! It’s one thing to hear about injustice, but entirely another to experience it.
You’re not asking for feedback, so ignore this if you don’t want it: My main question to you: Are you still finding God’s presence in your interior when you are in a Mass? If not, what draws you back? Sounds like something is calling to you — and then the rage surfaces.
I will only speak for myself to say I’ve found rage to be a secondary emotion. Underneath, there’s a lot of grief, and under that, a lot of wounded pain. When I healed the pain and experienced the grief, my anger turned into calm, centered power. And I took actions naturally, without any effort, that I would never have thought of when I was black with rage.
There’s nothing worse than wounded love, but if I walked away from the pain of the wound, I also walked away from the love.
All the best to you.
- David
I too am a Catholic (but with one foot out the door). I think for many the impulse of anger and vengeance toward the church is greater when one stays in the Church because one feels more connected. Ironically, Sylvester’s wonderful post pushes me a little further out the door because it causes me to recognize that the People of God all over the world are part of the problem when it comes to sexism, homophobia ans some other issues.
Hi Steve,
I guess the main thing I think of when I read your response: Do whatever keeps you in your integrity. If you need to leave, go for it.
I must say I don’t understand who you’re referring to by the People of God as “part of the problem” with sexism and homophobia. Plenty of people might call themselves “People of God” but I have a hard time thinking that’s God’s point of view. You might look at Jesus’ speech when he predicted why so many Christians would be hypocrites and “evildoers.” (Matthew 7:20-27) Look around today and you can’t help but think he knew what he was talking about!
I appreciate your response and thoughts.
David
Dear Mr. Sylvestrer
It is with thanks I read your essay. Seldom in the meta-media circus does one read a “grown-up” response to the Christian concerns of our churches.
Rev. Stephen Goldstein
United Methodist
Thanks, Rev. Goldstein. The great thing about the Internet now is that we can circumvent the corporate mass media and find much greater range of news and voices. The increasing commercialism of the corporate media has really strangled it, don’t you think? Over the years, the commercialism has debased the intellectual content.
ACTIONS speak louder thhan words. In Mr. Sylvester’s own example, the Catholic Church took only FOUR MONTHS to excommunicate SOA/peace activist, Father Bougoise for attempting to ordain women as priests. Yet, it takes YEARS to excommunicate a priest criminally cnvicted of molesting children (and the Church has PROTECTED many predaortory priests from any crimnal consequences–much ess NOT excommunicated).
I think Mr. Sylvester IS engaging in “hair-splitting”–and I say this as a journalist as much as a human being, a feminist and a survivor of child sexual abuse (NOT by any clergy but, by a family member).
The Church’s ACTIONS show that they take the ordination of women far more seriously as a “crime agianst the Church” than they do the sexual abuse of children.
While I can appreciate the painful contradictions this all poses for Catholics, the rest of us have a right to critique these actions and policies. It’s about BASIC ETHICS and whether people in power uphold them or not. Obviously, only Catholics themselves can hold their own CHurch to accountability–but, I think Mr. SYlvester is being a bit too hypersensitive to critique of the Catholic Church. SOME things ARE black and white moral issues! Protecting child abusers and keeping women in a suboridnate positon qualify as such. The Church is shooting itself in the foot and will continue to lose members unless it joins the 21st century on these matters.
Hi Lydia,
I agree with you, and tried to focus on, that the actions of the Church do speak louder than words. There’s no denying the actions. I think I was trying to reflect on my relationship to those actions, and seeing if there is a range of responses available, some being more spiritually damaging to me than others. You may disagree, or have your own responses.
I hope you’re not thinking that I condone abuse. Quite the opposite. Justice is certainly the right response to these abuses — and a tsunami of justice is on its way.
Peace,
David
This is the debate we are currently having in Women Word Spirit (also known as Catholic Women’s Network) a British Christian feminist group founded 26 years ago to focus on women in the church but now having become much wider in focus. The current issue of our journal, Network, is devoted to the question of staying in or leaving the institutional church, as we have found that our members are divided between those who stay, saying ‘it’s OUR church’ not that of the hierarchy etc and that we should strive for change from within (and this group includes some very thoughtful and widely respected women theologians) – and those who say they cannot stay in an abusive environment. Both groups respect each other’s point of view, and realise that they gain from attempting to understend the other’s perspectives. Motivation of those who stay often centres on the eucharist, but also on the way that throughout the ages it has been ‘loyal dissent’ that has set future generations what has subsequently been recognised to be the ‘right’ path, which has often later been acknowledged by canonisation of those who were very inconvenient to Rome at the time. Personally I think the only hope for the church is for those who are distressed at the Vatican’s pronouncements to express their views from within and refuse to leave however much it might be convenient to THEM for us to do so!
Hi Pat,
I’ve known your journal, Network, for a long time, and always enjoyed the discussions in it. I should look at what the conversation is now about, b/c for me, the categories of “loyal dissent” or “staying in” or “leaving” don’t sound quite right.
I’d rather talk about how we live out the call to be prophetic. You know, in-your-face, no-holds-barred prophetic. But prophetic without self-righteousness or denigrating the human dignity of the other. And also leaving the other with the freedom of will and choice.
It’s so tempting to either conform and be silent and resentful, or be angry and prophetic yet also arrogant and self-righteous, or angry and speaking one’s truth while at the same time denigrating the other. It’s as we say, confronting the sin while loving the sinner.
I’d have to think of some examples, and of course, Jesus did not mince words at all. But the whole thing seems to be in how he said it, not just the content, the what, he said, but the manner of speaking, the how, he said it.
As John Dear has pointed out, Jesus answered questions with a lot of his own questions. He always pointed back into the person to stir their interior selves. What do you think? Who do you say that I am?
I’d have to think of other examples.
‘Jonah is a great example too: who the heck wants to be a prophet! Low pay, long hours etc. :)
Also, I think one of our problems as Catholics is that we just don’t know enough of the history of the Church. Like St. John of the Cross being locked up by his fellow monks for breaking the rules, or the problems that the other saints have had with the authorities.
If we knew Church history better, we’d pay attention to how truly awful the Church has been over the centuries. So when something evil arises from within it, we’re surprised, as if somehow we expect the Church to have escaped the human condition of needing constant purification of evil.
We’re in a time of great transition in the Church. The emerging Church is going to look a lot different than the current appearance of the Church. I have faith it will be a lot better.
Any issue of Network I should look at?
Tnx for yr thoughts!!
Response to Pat Pinsent: You’re right in saying that one way to protest is for progressive Catholics to remain in the church and continue to speak out. Perhaps an even better way would be for Catholics to quit contributing money to the church and starve the hierarchy financially. The tyrants who run the church rarely listen to average Catholics, but hear the clinking of coins (or the lack thereof) loud and clear.
Mike, if I was 30 years younger, I say:
Dude, do you know how cynical you sound? Are you future-tripping or what? What’s with all the negativity about how “they’ll” respond?
However, being of a different generation, it’s more appropriate for me to say:
Hmmm… Mike…. are you sure that the “tyrants” of the Church don’t listen to average Catholics? .. and are you sure they’ll hear “the clinking of coins?” Sounds rather other-izing, don’t you think?
:)
Thanks for your thoughts.
David
David, you’re right. I am cynical about the Catholic Church and, unfortunately, my cynicism is well supported. Twenty years ago, before I left the church, I wrote a letter to the editor of the National Catholic Reporter expressing my frustration with the church. The editor sent me a response saying he would not publish my letter because he had already published so many like it. He seemed to agree with my frustration and said he had hope for the church since the pope was an old man and would not live forever. After reflecting on his comments he seemed to me that the Catholic Church was in a sorry state if one couldn’t hope for change until its leadership died off. Whether the issue is gay rights, equality for women, sorry response to the sexual abuse of children, out-dated theology that no longer makes any sense, there are plenty of reasons to feel cynical about the Catholic Church. I’d truly like to be wrong, but nearly every week there’s a new story on the evening news that validates my position. But I’m not cynical about everything, because there’s life and vitality outside the Catholic church–in fact more of it than on the inside.
Hi Mike, you’ve said it correctly: every week you read a news story… but the news doesn’t cover the inside of the Catholic Church. The inside of the Church happens in the retreats, the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius, in the private meeting with a spiritual director, in those difficult and healing moments in confession, in prayer, in that secret little moment when the Eucharist is dissolving in your body and you feel something spreading inside that is truly healing and enriching.
Do you think it’s possible your consciousness is being manipulated by a commercial media? It is directing what you focus your attention on. I’d invite you to consider to take all your grievances with the injustices of the Church into prayer and spiritual direction. Maybe your outrage is actually a call to prophetic action — and maybe it’s easier to withdraw into criticism and judgment than to speak up and engage.
Just a thought. I have no idea what’s right for you. That’s between you and God. Or, in more practical terms, between you and the bathroom mirror when you look at yourself in the morning. If I remember right, that’s what got Noam Chomsky. It was the bathroom mirror test. He said he had to speak up so he could shave safely in front of his mirror each morning.
Thanks for writing. I trust in your good heart.
David
Thank you for your thoughtful and insightful article…..well worth the long read! Richard Rohr and Ron Rolheiser have helped me in my journey of ‘growing up’ in my Catholic faith. Now i will add you to my list! Continued Blessings!
m.
Hi Marilyn,
Thanks for reading. I’ve enjoyed both of those you mention.
If you liked the piece, you can do me a favor: please pray for me and my family, especially my children, Evan and Lara. I mean it.
Blessings,
David
Hi everyone. These have been two very interesting articles. I’ve been a Catholic since the day I was born and have also asked myself all these questions. And yes, many things are worrying to me. Scarey to some. Angering towards others. And we all have different approaches to all these emotions, because that’s what they are. It’s so very easy to slate the Catholic church. They’re a BIG, EASY target. It’s easy to jump on the bandwago of media frenzy, or late night discussions over a glass of wine or at lunch in the workplace. Having opinions is easy, especially in our modern time where it is instantly published. It is so easy to gather some supporters, via these sources, and go on a rampage and forget to think for oneself. Well done David in presenting a proper argument. One that I can actually read and think about and one that presents a truly objective picture. It’s been such a long time since I last read something of this nature.
It’s funny. I’m not gay. I’m not a lady. I’m not a child molester. And yes, I’m deeply and lovingly Catholic. I love my faith and I love God. I love my fellow brothers and sisters. I dont jump on badwagons over things that upset me or that I dont understand. Yet, nobody returns this to me. Nobody stops and thinks about us, the people in the Catholic church. We love this church. Yes, all these things that happen hurt us and worry us. But God is much bigger than any of this will ever be and God will always prevail. That makes me at peace. I pray that God uses me where and when he sees fit. I dont go into a rage and point fingers, shout and curse. I wait. I wait for my next instruction. For my next direction. For the next “thing” that I must do, in order to help this all along. All along towards God’s path. And is this means that ladies will become priests. Then so be it. But God decides. Not me. He had already decided and his descicion will always triumph. Whether we have and are following His descicion, remains to be seen. And see we will.
David, thanks for a great piece. I dont agree with those that say there are 100 000′s of people leaving the church. I frequent about 6 different parishes and I still have yet to see this. In fact, I’ve seen fuller churches on a Sunday. People on fire for God!
To the cynics, from both sides…..think again!
Hi Jose,
Yes, I’d say 1.2 billion people is a pretty big target for criticism. In fact, considering the state of the world, it would be more surprising if the Church did not mirror the crisis of chaos in the world. There’s no reason why such a large segment of humanity should somehow escape the sinfulness and evil that we see all around us. I don’t think being Catholic makes us different than anyone; it hopefully makes us more aware — and willing to respond to the suffering around us, since we share in the joys and hopes, pains and suffering of all the human faimly. (Gaudium et spes, if I remember right.)
However, I wouldn’t depend on the numbers of people in the pews as a tally of Church health. I’d rather ask how many of those who come on Sunday are spending their week standing up to injustice, refusing to collude with the evils that we all criticize in American life and living a different kind of life of compassion, truthfulness and fearlessness.
And in the end, as you say, there’s this bond of love for the Church that is, at times, quite inexplicable.
Best wishes,
DAvid
Finally, the ultimate thing is:
David,
Your response to Jose that begins “Yes, I’d say 1.2 billion people is a pretty big target for criticism. ..” is true enough. However, when problems–such as the pedophile scandal become public–rather than handle the issue responsibly, the Church’s hierarchy circles the wagons, and becomes arrogant and defensive. As someone who taught in the R.C.I.A for seven years before defecting the Church, I’m very aware that the Catholic Church has done many great things over the years, but I still believe that, on balance, the Church’s history is deplorable. I suspect that we have a much better world without it. OBTW, Chomsky’s a hero!