Am I A Rebel Yet? Chris Hedges Wouldn’t Think So.
by: Dave Belden on March 10th, 2010 | 17 Comments »

Protestors take over the 880 freeway in Oakland in both directions as part of last week's Day of Action for education funding. Photo: Reginald James/TheBlackHour.com
Chris Hedges put up another vehement piece on Truthdig on Monday: “Calling All Rebels.” Representative quotes:
There are no constraints left to halt America’s slide into a totalitarian capitalism… The old game of blaming the weak and the marginal, a staple of despotic regimes, will empower the dark undercurrents of sadism and violence within American society and deflect attention from the corporate vampires that have drained the blood of the country… The engines of social reform are dead…. The elites and their apologists call for calm and patience. They use the hypocritical language of spirituality, compromise, generosity and compassion to argue that the only alternative is to accept and work with the systems of power.
His last paragraph:
The capacity to exercise moral autonomy, the capacity to refuse to cooperate, offers us the only route left to personal freedom and a life with meaning. Rebellion is its own justification. Those of us who come out of the religious left have no quarrel with Camus. Camus is right about the absurdity of existence, right about finding worth in the act of rebellion rather than some bizarre dream of an afterlife or Sunday School fantasy that God rewards the just and the good…. We differ with Camus only in that we have faith that rebellion is not ultimately meaningless. Rebellion allows us to be free and independent human beings, but rebellion also chips away, however imperceptibly, at the edifice of the oppressor and sustains the dim flames of hope and love. And in moments of profound human despair these flames are never insignificant. They keep alive the capacity to be human. We must become, as Camus said, so absolutely free that “existence is an act of rebellion.” Those who do not rebel in our age of totalitarian capitalism and who convince themselves that there is no alternative to collaboration are complicit in their own enslavement. They commit spiritual and moral suicide.
Am I one of those suicides, in his opinion? I guess so. I still pay my taxes. I still vote. If I had been on last week’s march for education that Alana blogged about here I would have gone home after the rally with the main body of marchers instead of following the anarchist group that sat down on the freeway and got arrested. The goal of the march from the Cal Berkeley campus was to join other schools in Oakland to present a united front and win public support: I would have argued that closing the freeway was not a tactic the march organizers had endorsed and it was not based on a sophisticated concept of how to win over public opinion. A friend of ours was arrested, however, and spent a night in an astonishingly filthy jail, with old blood and faeces on the wall, and verbal abuse from the cops. And I find I wasn’t that critical of her choice, especially since she went as a medic, or that unhappy that the freeway had been closed, especially since no one was hurt and the kinds of action that would have alienated the public more, that some anarchists love, like smashing car windows, did not take place: the action did show the passion of the protest.
Hedges’ primary form of rebellion seems to be writing and speaking about the need for fundamental change. I’ve been doing the same kind of work through the pages of Tikkun, where I serve as the managing editor. Here we are rebelling by publishing strong critiques of the profit-run corporate world and the evermore corporate-run political world — including a fine one in our last issue by Hedges — plus all the other articles and posts you see here and in the magazine (many of which are about envisaging a better economy, better ways of making peace or of relating empathically to each other, which takes a different mindset from rebellion).
You could also say I have rebelled against the car culture, because after years of long distance car commuting I am now able to commute by bike, enabling my family to have one car not two. But I guess in Hedges’ view it all means nothing because I still have those Obama stickers on my bike’s front and rear bumpers. Granted I put them there during the primaries. But to a Hedges that just shows my feeble-mindedness then, and the fact that I haven’t ripped them off shows it now.
In the Bush II years one of my best friends told me the United States’ descent into corporate militarism was happening so quickly we would not see another election: after stealing 2000 and 2004, the far right would stage a coup rather than let a moderate win. I disagreed: I thought that was an out-of-touch demonization of the political right as it was then in this country; I thought it worth voting for Obama, and if Hillary had won the primaries I would have voted for her. In that very limited, time-sensitive argument, I had the better read in that a coup did not take place.
Hedges would say it didn’t need to. While I am one of those deeply disappointed by Obama’s performance I think of other times in history when radicals dismissed the system as radically as Hedges does now. In the 1930s there was huge populist leftwing energy for revolution. Were the revolutionaries right back then to dismiss the so-called democratic system? FDR’s administrations left much to be desired. They did not reverse racism, sexism, corporate profit-mania, or militarism. But ironically the revolutionaries’ furious energy and dismissal of the system was a major factor that enabled FDR to pass the New Deal — to save capitalism, as he himself said. A great many people benefited from the New Deal.
I did not expect Obama to be any better than FDR, and without revolutionary energy in the country I did not expect him to be as good. In that sense, I am not so critical of Hedges: we need some strong movements utterly dismissing the system, alongside some strong movements that believe the system can be improved, if the system is to be in any way reformed.
But could I join the ones with the darkest vision, that say the system is irredeemable? No, because if I was thrown back into the year 1930 knowing what I know now I would not join the Communist Party or any revolutionary movement, because I don’t think the revolutionary Left was ready then to create a better system. I don’t think it’s ready now.
If it’s not about envisaging a better system, if it is just about rebelling against whatever system we find ourselves in, then count me out. The cult of the rebel is a cult like any other, in my view. Cults demonize non-members of the cult, and so fall prey to unrealistic thinking about the rest of the world. They alienate the mass of people who have more common sense. If they are unfortunate enough to take power, they create disillusioning dictatorships that any decent rebel like Chris Hedges has to leave. These dictatorships may be worse than what would have happened if the reformers had won instead: think of Robespierre, Stalin, Mao. At some point the reformers have to take over again.
We need more rebels, but only to make the reformers look good. I’m a wannabe revolutionary but an actual reformer until I get some confidence that we wannabe revolutionaries have a real handle on how to create non-demonizing, empathic, respectful, celebratory relationships in our own movements and with our opponents.
So I think we need more rebels and reformers of many kinds, but the ones I want to work with are those who, as Michael Lerner writes, aim “to move from a Left that is identified primarily in terms of what it is against to a Left that is known for WHAT WE ARE FOR,” and who understand what it means to act from empathy, love and generosity, and not primarily from righteous anger. Because while anger can bring a system down, it doesn’t build a better one.
The part I liked best in Hedges’ new article was this:
“You do not become a ‘dissident’ just because you decide one day to take up this most unusual career,” Vaclav Havel said when he battled the communist regime in Czechoslovakia. “You are thrown into it by your personal sense of responsibility, combined with a complex set of external circumstances. You are cast out of the existing structures and placed in a position of conflict with them. It begins as an attempt to do your work well, and ends with being branded an enemy of society. … The dissident does not operate in the realm of genuine power at all. He is not seeking power. He has no desire for office and does not gather votes. He does not attempt to charm the public. He offers nothing and promises nothing. He can offer, if anything, only his own skin-and he offers it solely because he has no other way of affirming the truth he stands for. His actions simply articulate his dignity as a citizen, regardless of the cost.”
Perhaps I am not a Hedges-type rebel yet simply because I have not yet been thrown out of the system in the way Havel describes. Until I am, I work for empathy with the great American public and towards moving it towards building a caring society. This is what Michael Lerner is working for with his writing and conferences. It takes a particular kind of humility in a prophetic thinker to avoid, as Michael does, the dramatically righteous dismissal of almost everyone as spineless and deluded and instead work to persuade, to carry the mass with him or her towards the promised land. You risk contemptuous dismissal yourself by all the righteously dismissive, but you remain with a chance to lead those who resist the cult of the rebel.



Why should we create “empathetic, empathetic, respectful relationships” (as Belden puts it) with our opponents? They don’t deserve it, and I will not try (and that includes the dumb insensitive dogmatic freaks like Chomsky and Cockburn on the Hard-Left, although they have some good points). Right-wing reactionaries are THE ENEMY, deserving no respect, just condemnation and confrontation.
Marco
Marco, You have raised one of the ur-questions of humanity. I’ll be interested to see what other readers have to say.
One comment I have relates to your including people on the hard left. When we see those we disagree with on the other side in this cut and dried way, soon we are also in knock down drag out fights with the people on our own side we disagree with. The Left has done a ton of this and it has sapped its ability to persuade anyone outside its ghetto.
Another comment is that some fights can be won faster and with less bloodshed when we believe in the enemy’s humanity and appeal to their moral sense: this is why we celebrate MLK and the Civil Rights movement, and also Gandhi’s independence struggle, because they worked. I would certainly include Nelson Mandela’s extraordinary ability to recognize the humanity of his people’s oppressors.
I tend to agree with Dave. Last Passover, my uncle brought up Bob Dylan. (Actually, he always brings up Bob Dylan whether it is Passover or not.) Specifically, he thought we should be singing “You’re gonna have to serve somebody.” There is no such thing as an utterly free individual or an utterly just society.
Revolutions rarely achieve positive results. The Iranians overthrew the Shah and were saddled with Khomeini. The Chinese overthrew the Emperor and got Mao. Russia replaced the Czars with Stalin. Germany ended the Weimar Republic with Hitler. This is not to say that the Shah, the Czar, and the Chinese Emperor were not horrendous. I just think we should seek non-violent change whenever possible because thugs with guns rarely improve the situation.
Obviously, I am not happy with our present situation in the US. But I like Obama much better than Bush and I still think it is possible to accomplish change through civil action. It’s a lot of work and it takes generations. Hate just leads to more hate.
I like Chris Hedges articles and I also like reading the Tikkun Daily articles. I consider the GOP, the Nazi Party, and the Dems Party as the stupid party. Both parties are mirror imagines of Americans. If Chomsky, the writer, whose name was in Marco’s comments, I liked reading his articles. Personally, fascist-Nazi America is goose-stepping herself into the abyss of hell.
I agree with Lauren Reichelt when she says she likes Obama better than Bush. I do too, but his policies are only, at best, marginally better than Bush’s. Obama seems smarter, more articulate, and more compassionate(remember Bush’s campaign theme was compassionate conservatism ). But taking the rhetoric out of the evaluation, the lives of regular people are really no better off under Obama while the ultra-rich are even better off. I’m for rebellion. Freedom from the bonds of over consumption, freedom from unnecessary wants and desires. Freedom to treat each other with compassion and generosity rather than domination and greed. Hedges’s anger is good to a point and I agree with it. I’m mad as hell.
Dear Dave
I understand the sense of ambivalence you express about Chris Hedges. Recently, four of us (we all were leaders in the 68 Strike at SF State) met with some of the leaders of the recent demonstrations in CA’s demonstration. They asked for advice. We pointed to the fact that the Strike happened after 10 years of organizing alternative institutions (The Experimental College, the Black Students Union, the Work Study Program, the Tutorial Program, The Black Media Institute, the Draft Center). We didn’t begin with a demonstration. We called it after we could go no further with our alternative models. The funding was attacked. Our effort for a Black Studies Department as well as a School of Third World Studies were being attacked. We were concerned that after claiming the institution was the peoples, they then trashed the buildings, losing the support of the janitors and food workers who had been feeding those who occupied the building. One of us asked, how would you feel if we trashed your apartment because you weren’t doing enough. That’s not relevant was the reply. As we said then the Personal intersects the Political. That’s the point.
Our approach was make a power analysis, figure out how the right fund themselves, expose the funding, provide an alternative model, and then Strike if we were no longer had operating room.
I think Hedges thinks it enough to protest. To begin with demonstrations. I don’t.
Yes the country is very conservative. And in a formal sense (Italian) we are getting close to corporate fascism. But we don’t yet have wide spread concentration camps. We are not yet Nazis.Though the anti GLBT stuff is getting close.
Consider this a fan letter Dave.
So Bruce, how do you express this anger and rebellion in your actions? “Freedom from the bonds of over consumption, freedom from unnecessary wants and desires. Freedom to treat each other with compassion and generosity rather than domination and greed.” That all sounds like a spiritual program of a simpler and more empathic life, but it doesn’t sound angry or political or very rebellious. At least it can be done in quite a quiet way and usually is. Both Hedges and Lerner are pressing us to be more actively political in impacting Washington and the corporate world, and their argument is largely about how to bring along large enough numbers to make an impact, and about whether the system is redeemable or not: so the question is whether the impact one is trying for is pure rejection or a strategy towards eventual reform. If the system isn’t reformable, and accepting that it isn’t is what rebellion means in this context, then how does one act, what does one do?
Is dropping out to lead a simpler and more empathic life in fact the form that many people’s rebellion is taking, and will that have any power against the fascist militarism that Hedges predicts is coming down the pike? If not, what will have power against it?
Those responding to my critique of Mr Belden were pretty predictable: hate and retaliation leads to more hate, blah, blah, blah…and we pacifists are the ones who are going to change everything thru our good vibes. Well a just a war against the Nazis lead to now-democratic Germany and Japan; so that pacifist nonsense about hate inevitably leading to hate in an endless cycle is refuted. However, it is true that SOMETIMES a rebellion does not lead to a better government (EX: Khomeini in Iran), but sometimes it does if the rebels have the VIOLENT POWER and half-way decent souls (as F. Roosevelt). But you pacifists equate all violent power with depravity, and you are, of course, “above” all that.
With respect to appealing to the enemy’s moral sense, that rarely works. The only reason King et al. won some major advances is that they got through to liberals who just had to be nudged in the right direction. They, being a majority in the Sixties ,passed legislation FORCING racists to desegrate in the south. How many racists did King et al. get through to morally? Not many, I would wager. Had liberals not been convinced, the Southern racists would have massacred the Civil Rights people. And then, as in South Africa, the only two options would have been: submit, or take up the gun. In South Africa, Mandela et al took up the gun, which was instrumental in bringing some of those whites to their senses, and paving the way to negotiations.
And what about this contradiction between King’s pacifism and the fact the Civil Rights movement wanted , understandably , legislation, outlawing segregation and discrimination. If you pass a law, it THREATHENS those who do not submit with retaliation and punishment. Is that pacifist? No. But it is reasonable and just. And, finally, if John and Robert Kennedy had not sent police and troops to defend Civil Rights workers at critical junctures, they would have been massacred (as when they were caught in a church). What difference is that with an anti-racist movement having its own troops defend themselves with guns and fists? You pacifists are full of contradictions, nonsense, and moral sellf-righteousness. Hey, if you want to pitch yourselves in front of an Israeli tank, go ahead, I don’t.
And , oh yeah, you might want to read the political writings of a famous American Christian theologian, Rheinhold Niebuhr, very influential in the Democratic Party in the last 20 years of his life. He started off as a pacifist and Christian socialist, and ended up as a just-war proponent in the 1930`s, and a humane capitalism advocate a la New Deal.
Marco
Marco
Can I pretend to channel Lauren’s uncle? There is both desperation and profound truth/ hope in “Anyone not busy being born is busy dying”. Altho’ I’m speaking from personal experience as much as reflection, I think Dave’s slightly peevish and uneccesarily first-person response to Hedges is this: When anyone puts us in an apocalyptic story, we squirm like hell :-). And for good reason. When to risk arrest, when to risk worse than arrest etc. etc. are heavy questions for our sacred personal selves. They have less to do with anger and other emotions, I think, than what Havel seems to be accurately reporting above.
Hedges is pulling alarms in what is anyway a rather shaky progressive edifice. (“There’s no there there” sometimes seems like the actual meaning of “peace community,” for example). But alarm bells evoke a fight/flight response, and no one can remain an adrenaline factory for the long run. (Hedges the former war-reporter is actually an expert on that subject).
Me? I’m happy to cling to shreds of community like Tikkun, but need Hedges, Camus, Chomsky to ground (strange as it sounds) my sense of meaning and hope. I also know that what I actually do (if I am still free to choose — always a nasty little caveat.) will come more from my sense of the individuals involved than anything else. ‘ been wrong before, paid a big price. ‘ hope the country and world can afford such experimentalism in what may indeed be the age of “inverted totalitarianism.” (Seems that Wolinsky is reading Wolin. Maybe I’ll take an existential leap and submit a book review to a certain magazine that certainly doesn’t appreciate my poems.)
David, “slightly peevish” may well be right about this post, but I feel like responding to “unnecessarily personal.” I read a lot about what we should do or what an author believes, but this isn’t always linked enough to what they actually do, or what challenges they find in living out their proposals. The personal/political connection is fascinating to me. For each of us it does come down to what decisions we actually make, and I like the way a blog enables that kind of writing. But it isn’t to everyone’s taste.
Marco, You make some very strong points, and since I am not a pacifist in any absolutist way, nor well schooled in arguing pacifism’s case, I don’t know what I would think about all these specific instances if I took more time to read the books on nonviolence I have on my shelf. You say the moral appeal rarely works, but it feels to me as if we are only in the early stages of developing it as a tool of social change, and that it requires a great deal more social invention to make it work more often. I agree that we never get away from coercion altogether, and often have to choose one type over another; at the same time, not many of those who see the world through a coercion-lens (seeing above all the coercion and power dynamics in every interaction) would have predicted that MLK or Gandhi could have been as successful as they were — MLK and co. were roundly abused by those who thought him too “weak” as it was.
As for Niebuhr, you might be interested in this article in Tikkun by Gary Dorrien, which argues that Niebuhr was wrong in his socialist period, when he denounced the system in tones somewhat similar to Chris Hedges today, and wrong later:
“The Social Gospelers told a story about the necessity of gradually democratizing society; Niebuhr told a more dramatic story, that history would either move forward to socialism or move backward to barbarism. There was no third way. Radical socialism, communism, and fascism were supposedly more realistic than the tame progressivism of the social democratic, Social Gospel, and New Deal movements. But the radical alternatives crashed and burned, and afterward Niebuhr retreated to welfare state reformism and the liberal Democratic mainstream.” From http://www.tikkun.org/article.php/jan10_socialism
Mr Belden: I think you make a good point in saying that many people were agreeably surprised that King and Gandhi were as successful as they were. But they were so because they were dealing with 1) in Gandhi’s instance, with a collapsing British empire in the 30′s and 40`s (collapsing under the pressure of anti-colonialism within and without Britain); and 2) in King’s instance, dealing with a less racist and inhumane USA in the 60`s. Before those respective periods, it was too risky to rebel non-violently; massacre was assurred (which probably many pacifists would have welcomed to fulfill their martyr complexes , sort of pacifist Al-Queda types…). In the case of Fascists and Nazis, and Somozas, only armed might could subdue them at any time, in my opinion. But most pacifists feel that even in those latter instances it was wrong to use force! And there are many such pacifists in contemporary “peace” movements, the majority I beleive. How can such unrealistic policies be taken seriously by those persons in the mainstream looking for alternatives to their society? How can one not be enraged as a person of the left (which I consider myself to be) by seeing my “colleagues” on the Left recommend such pacifist nonsense? Similarly, how can one not be enraged by a Howard Zinn , who suggests ,in his much-read book on the Left, “A People’s History of the USA”, that there was a MORAL EQUIVALENCY between the Allies and the Nazis, ie NO Difference between Hitler and Roosevelt (only some obscure pacifists and anarchists of the time,according to Zinn, were apparently the only islands of sanity in an insane world)? This is a widely held view on the Left, the dominant one. So I dissociate myself from the Zinns, and Chomskys, and Hermans, and Cockburns and the Jane Fondas who propogate these gross insensitive views..and I do so with justified anger..and if that anger offends “spiritual” people, too bad.
Finally, thanks for the article about Niebuhr.
Marco
Despite reading the many thoughtful articles in the daily blog, my favorite activity is reading the varying, multiple responses to the initial post, and to one another. At the risk of seeming insipid, even Pollannish–which I definitely am not–what I discern in the exchanges are sincere, informed attitudes and efforts to honestly express the self to the issue. As an interdisciplinary social scientist, born under Libra, although my Buddhist teacher says I’m just pretending to be balanced, being balanced is my consciously chosen attitude. Very difficult to do. I fseel the modicum of validity in differing responses. I try to discern the background of experience–even genetic and environmental that forms our reaction and response. I wish this could be a major part of everyone’s thinking, feeling and responding–”Know thyself.” We are each expressing our formed selves. I think I am more in the “camp” of Marcos. I can be wrong. So, another cliche, “different strokes for differing folk”–if we know why and how we, actually, differ. I am convinced–I think–that when enough of us can accept the validity of what seems different we may be able to arrive at cooperative arrangements.
Dave, just wondering–why so much attention in Tikkun to Hedges (I’m guessing becuase he has a religious bent?) He seems a competent, if somewhat mach, journalist. But as a political commentator, he seems to be an unbearable blowhard, with provocateurish (or maybe just testosterone fueled) tendencies. Doesn;t see worth the attention.
I am in the midst of an effort, to get my VERY Solid, in Depth, Conservative Christian Evangelical family, into a dialog about the shape things are taking, and What is Needed for Sanity in the body politic, as it where. Hoping to come up with a dialog, that will be Seen, Passed round, and Hopefully generate some Bridges in Family’s, to start Talking this stuff out, Without having to call 911. We have a LOT of depth to the family, for Most part, here from the start of this whole Idea, the USA. Have “Greats” participating All the way through, some notably, at least 1 infamously, by My light’s. One I would nominate for Sainthood, and No, it’s Not Mom. Further back, though she get’s an honorable mention, appreciate her Allowing all of us to Survive adolescence. Won’t get thru to all, but should help a slice, doing what I can. Want to share the results of this when/if Rolling good. Still waiting for the Pastor’s to Chime in, Will be sending them here for this Response. The Excerpt is My response&recomendation to C. Hedges Article.
Bit bout me.
I am an Expat, left to marry a Wonderful Canadian, when We were tossing where to settle, “Merica” re-elected Bush. Guess where I live and Happily Own Land now! NOT moving back, unless Sanity takes&hold’s, probably not then. Soured, would have ended up making some Really futile Gesture if I’d stayed. People Get the Government They Dis-serve…
But I’ll Visit! Maybe.
Has Felt like a Police State down there for awhile now, Wife, from England Originally, Refuses to go because of that. But then Her parent’s, Polish&English, Dealt firsthand with the Nazi’s, Father Lost most his Family. They Remember, Idiot’s here Don’t. Heard a Real intuitive Kid say, ” it Smells like Death Down Here”, My Wife agrees.
Anyhow, wordy it may be, but here’s some Excerpt’s, Critique Welcome:
“This, is a beautiful piece of work, Just out, that Lay’s it Right
Down, it is Your Duty, as a Citizen, and a Human, to READ THIS. Share
This, Say’s it in Clear, Unambiguous terms. Please do read it,
Particularly the part analyzing Rebels and Why they DO. It Is already
started. Remember, Most of the USA Likes to think of themselves as
Rebels. NOW the rubber meets the road.
STUPID is gonna breakout Everywhere. Please Don’t join in on the
Stupid part, Your Children Will NEVER forgive YOU! My children already
have, for NOT bringing them Into this Mess, without getting Off My
Ass, to make it Right. Time IS short to steer Anything. Soon, Not A
Chance, do YOU want to be Accountable for THAT?
I Would Like to hear from the Folks who aspired to, Thought
about, Had, or Do have, a Flock, Do I Have to call you by Name? YOU
have a Responsibility! if your “Belief” is Strong, Your “Faith” Ought
to give you solid ground to stand on. Meet Me. Preferably Halfway, but
I’ll take Whatever You have the Courage to talk about. As You Know,
some things that Work at a Personal level, Don’t Work at a Societal
level. We Live in a DEMOCRACY. It’s NOT working Well at the Moment, it
WILL pass, with some tuning, Without… I Think Not. You Think You
Have a BETTER Alternative, Impress Me. Right NOW, all that IS showing
is a buncha whiners, getting Ready to take their Marbles Home, Don’t
think that THAT is going to Impress Anyone. Much less the One we All
want to.
Still Missing the Mark
BP
What ORIGINALLY got me Off of my Butt, was a Story bout the ‘Christian’ Dominionist Types’s that Sarah Palin “pals around” with, wanting a Christian Fascist State, To “Give” to Jesus for his “ComingHome” Party, Where they all meet&greet the “Man”, and get a Personal Autograph for their Bible… EGO! Not what I was raised to Believe in. Told them so in some rather steamed word’s. Not ‘cool’ with Burning Witches OR Book’s. Not on My Watch. BP
“Here it tis, the MindMine that set me off! and my action. Read it,
INTERESTING comments
Hello Family, apologize for passing my Outrage along, But Y’all CAN Do
Something bout this…
Putting the X, in Xtianity, These People Have NOTHING to do with
Jesus, Other than Defaming his name… What’s the Deal, are Your
Churches pushing this FUD, (Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt, the
Rebullican/Fascist Best Tool), Or Countering it???? These People are
PRAYING Others harm!!! They WILL Burn “Witches” if allowed the Oxygen,
(Media+Fools&Bigots+ those who Profit by it), to grow. Where is Jesus?
NOT With These Idiots. But then the Only “Houses of God” Making Noise
and Getting Oxygen in the Media are the One’s PUSHING it!!! I am
hearing tones of “subhuman”, and ANY Student of History KNOWS where
that leads.
Stand Up to these Impostors, and Get Religion Working for the
Well Being of Earth and the Residents of it… , ALL of them, It IS
Your Children’s, and Our ONLY Home. If You are in a RUSH to Join
Jesus, DO IT! Don’t try to drag the Rest of the World into Your
Dreams&Wishes, By Force! A Better Alternative is to Work to Get All
Humans the Chance of Their Dreams Too, Help make the World a Better
Place, And THEN Share Jesus’s Message GENTLY, With Some REAL Win/Win
DEED’s Behind You , Not Using the Message as a Club, backed by a
Physical one. That is EVIL. But then Our “Representative Government”
has been Doing a bit of that, without the “Church” making a peep,
Evidently bureaucrats of God, are not speaking with God. Or Even
listening. Any of You… ??? Love to hear your answer.
Prove me Wrong, Please.
BP
http://www.alternet.org/story/145796/heads_up:_prayer_warriors_and_sarah_palin_are_organizing_spiritual_warfare_to_take_over_america_?page=1
The Evangelical’s ARE Serious, Take them that way. Nowhere Near All, are totally wrapped into NOW, but the One’s that are, ARE DEAD SERIOUS, You ignore at Your Peril.
I have Faith&Hope, that the Koolade Hasn’t been mixed yet, but am Really trying to take it’s Pulse, and See if we can get it working as Intended. MY spiritual outlook will be fairly Obvious from This Letter, So I’m biased, can’t Help it. Niether can They. Don’t Blow’em Off. They TRY to live to Their Lights. Smart People in General, though as always, in Everything, the Media, Only shows the Clowns. The True to the Message One’s, Are living the Life they Believe and KNOW. Talk WITH them, not AT them. I think you’ll find some reasonable people there, among the ‘DryDrunks”, who make the Noise. Talk Gently, Volume goes up, Understanding goes Down. We REALLY Don’t want that. Critiques Always Welcome.
BP.
My letter of explanation and intent/meaning.
**NOT a must read article**
the Rest is Mine, please read.
Actually, a little balanced, well written, article, for an “Atheist”. Comments section IS a good read, Spiritual folk more than hold their own. Thinking about getting in touch with one of them, a Reverend. “Sounds” Canadian, well spoken/honest/open.
Threw My penny-for-your-thought in. Makes ME Feel better.
“Atheist”, Suffer from an Impoverished Imagination, I Pity them that… Robbed, they were. And ‘most’ of the Noisy Ones, are Just as Incapable of Abstract Thought, as the REALLY Stupid, Other “Fundies” of ALL Stripes are. Haters. NOT my problem.
Lump’em all together.
My sin, I’m human too.
I AM NOT An ATHEIST!
“Agnostic” Ah, now There, is an interesting word. Human, Humble enough to Admit, that they don’t know the “Answer”, Smart enough, to Know that Something is up, So there Must be AN Answer. Usually balanced enough to explore without obsessing. Looking by their Own “lights”, Not Led by the Nose by some bureaucrat with his hand out. a seekers journey.
Any Intelligent Soul can take a REALLY Good Look at Nature, and See Humor There.
Humor takes Intelligence, Ergo there IS Intelligence in the Universe.
Any Observant Person, can See the Connections in Life, Ergo it is NOT a “Random” Universe.
Simplest one that fit’s. Occam’s Razor, I believe its called. It Really IS a small world, travel&talk, You’ll find out.
Theories&”Facts”, funny things, they ARE changeable. Most of the One’s WE were taught in school have been superseded, and Obsoleted. The ONLY Certain Thing in the Universe is CHANGE.
I am Not an agnostic, drilled down too tight from the start. Not my Choice. Never had a Chance.
I was Raised, to be Active in the “Church”, Grandpa Style, Steered&Groomed, to further the Gospel, Any way I could possibly. People had “Plans” for me. My family knows what happens when Somebody Tells Me I ‘Have” to do something. NOT the way to Motivate me.
I started “abstracting” “thought” a Bit before most, my curse, my blessing…
While most of you played ‘little league’ and ‘House’, I read the Bible through, 3 times. Ask my family what that means.
I have been Looking Forward with Joy to meeting my Maker Ever Since. QuestionsQuestionQuestions!!!
Sometimes in more of a hurry than not, sometimes too much so. I Still Am Looking Forward Even More Fondly NOW. Will Be WELCOME.
Lizette think’s a little Too fondly, too welcome.
I read my way through Grandpa&Grandma’s Library, the Church Library, the School’s Library’s, the Town’s Library, and was Started on the County’s Library’s. Pretty much had finished what was available of interest there by the time I was in High School.
Kept Going… Taken advantage of every chance to Learn that I could, as possible. When I Stop Learning, I’m dead&done.
I LOVE to Read!!! I LOVE to Learn!!! Thinking&Imagineering is Pretty Fun Too!=8^D
My Fondest Wish Always has been Time to Read Everything I wanted too, and More “Light” to go with it. Everything Else, is a Hobby.
It IS a Fascinating&WONDERFUL Universe. And Fun to Share. Wonderful “Things” are happening All the Time. Don’ get much Press.
ALL the “Answers” are already there.
FUD,(Fear, Uncertainy and Doubt), the Manipulators Friend, is What is Fed too People these Day’s. As Always, Truly looking at “history”, Fear ALWAYS motivates or Freezes, separates the Sheep from the Wolves that way. For the Feast.
Easier to pull the Con that way.
I Am totally on board with Jesus’s Message, near as I can make them out and Understand. Would Love to read Direct Aramaic.
I do have some perspective on Who he was aiming&shaping it at…
Have a little debate with him about the turn the other cheek thing. Nice idea, Lived it, Practiced it. Got to where I can REALLY take a punch!!!
NEVER had Anyone put out my lights! Tough Skull! Took a Moose at 57 mph. Didn’t knock me out. Did lizette, unfortunately.
Was great Training for working with Head-Injured patients too.
However I DO Dislike to Reward Bad Behaviour, And Bully’s get too much enjoyment out of causing Others Pain.
Will NOT put up with it Anymore. That goes for Bullying in ANY Form, from ANY one. ESPECIALLY Institutions!!!
I have Always Studied the Mystic’s, Who have “Direct” Experience with God. Go to the Source. Grandpa taught me that.
I have Always studied the Religions, MAN’s creation, Inspired by God. Mostly turned by man, to Control Society, NOT Nurture it.
I have Always studied the Church’s, Again, Man’s creation, Mostly Imperfect, Some Intending to Nuture Human Soul’s, some throw Nurturing the body in there, Actively, Not Just Talk. Some are Run by ConMen, Some by Saints, Some by MadMen. Some out of Sheer Agape. Like Those. Like the One’s who Build&Contribute to Community. Don’t Like the One’s Run on FUD, for CONTROL.
Detest Those.
Again, My sin, I’m human.
In General, a Good Thing, That sometimes goes Terribly Wrong. Just like Most Human Endeavours.
I served in the Coast Guard, with Congressman Leo Ryan’s Son. It’s a very small world.
I have Seen “Church’s&Religion’s do Terrible Things. Man’s work, Not God’s. Read History, or these days just All the “News”.
I saw a sign, When the Cheerleading for Iraq was Loudest, in front of my Family’s church, bout one of Imperial’s contributions to the Slaughter.
Said, “Marcus ******, GODS WARRIOR”
I felt like burning it, and the church Down.
Obscenity! FALSE Witness.
The “Church” had been USED to Propagate Propaganda!
Wasn’t, Isn’t, “God’s” War! All George and Friends. For Oil, Resources, CONTROL, of Other Peoples Land’s.
And keeping that Merican Military-Industrial complex Primed&Rich.
That’s “God’s” Work? Methinks you misread the book.
Mom,(E.J.) had the Best take on it I Ever Heard. She was a Wise Woman.
When I Expressed my offence of Hypocrisy of People claiming to be “Godly” at a young age, She Explained to me, That
“Church’s” were Hospitals for Sinners, Not Sanctuary’s for Saint’s… Best Analogy I have Heard Yet! And VERY Correct.
The more Extreme they are, the “Sicker” they are. Smart Lady.
So. My “Place of Worship” is Out in Nature, Alone with Open&Receiving Mind. I Try Really Hard, to be humble, life helps to keep me that way! I Share, the Wonder, with Others as I can. I Try to ACT, in my life, asking WWJD, WWGPD, and WWMD, My Leading Lights, Filter through That, what my Heart tells me, check head, act accordingly. Accept the Responsibility for MY Actions. Trying NOT to miss the mark.
And You Know What? Grandpa is Right With Me.
“Evangelism” bothers Me. Feel a Human, and a Religion, should live by Example, Not Talking someone else out of Their World Picture and Replacing it with Their Own. Rude.
The “Face” that Our Religion is SHOWING, Most Loudly, in Present Times, in the USA, is UGLY! HUBRIS. False Witness. Greed. TOTAL lack of Tolerance. Some Sick Sinners!!! Take a “Gut” check, and talk to some colleagues ELSEWHERE in the World.
Praying for Control? Greed
Praying for Judges to DIE. Now THAT I can relate to at the Moment. But NOT Act. But I Know what that is.
Praying Others Harm? Blasphemy. Serious Stuff.
Any Good Witch, can tell you Saying Things Three Times Constitutes a Spell, if directed at something. the Jews Agree.
That is Where they are Dabbling, in that “Prayer Warrior” Bunch. Are Ya’ll with’em? Hope Not. Why it OFFENDS me so much.
A Reality Check. My “Biggest” fear, has Always been to NOT Die with My Eyes Open. Answers Finally!!! Been Waiting Soooo Long.
Had a Chance to test that recently! 3 times.
Now, Once upon a time, I Studied, and fasted, and Meditated, Got my diet right…
Was Blessed to experience “Satori”, Oneness with the Universe, EveryThing in the Universe, is Going Exactly to Plan, You are Right where you need to be, even got a bit of “Out of Body” Experience, looked down on Myself, wandered a bit, Lovely Experience, and as ‘Real” as You could get, by My Perception.
the heart attack? barely hurt when I had it, No where NEAR what my spine does to me, just got short of breath. Little pain in left arm.
When in Hospital…
Each of the 3 Different times, the Heart Stopped.
It was like a switch was thrown.
Here Now.
Not.
Here Now.
Not
Here Now, looking at the doctor as he “Tested” whether I Really needed the Pacemaker’
Not…. Back.
Never Noticed!
Each time. No “Light”, No “Voice”, No Warning.
Very Disappointing! Hoping for Light on that one.
With My Love&My faith,
BP
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