BayNVC’s Miki Kashtan: How to Take the “Must Have” out of Wanting
by: Dave Belden on January 10th, 2010 | 1 Comment »
I want to encourage people to read Miki Kashtan’s piece in the current issue of Tikkun, and then if you can to come to our February 15 daylong conference “Support Obama to be Obama!” in San Francisco where she — among several outstanding others — will be one of the presenters.
I woke up this morning thinking of Miki’s piece “Wanting Fully Without Attachment,” and an old credit card slogan wafted into my head, which promised us that “It Takes the Waiting out of Wanting.”
If the entire downside of consumerism and Wall Street greed and irresponsibility could be captured in a phrase it might as well be that one. It was used by Access (now part of MasterCard) way back in the 1970s (in the UK, I’m not sure about the States) when the banks were first trying to put credit cards — which until then had been a convenience of the wealthy — into every wallet and purse. Teaching us to want more is critical to the whole modern economy, but supplying credit so we can have it now and pay later has been the seductive titillation.
Hard on its heels a counterphrase — “It Takes the “Must Have” out of Wanting” — appeared in my mind to describe Miki’s approach. I added the “how to” in the heading above because Miki combines a theory with a psychological method. We need “how to” guides that actually work for us day by day.
Googling the Access slogan brings up various delicious riffs on it, from the music CD “Looting Takes the Waiting out of Wanting” to British journalist Libby Purves in the London Times in 2008 calling it the “brilliantly corrupting slogan” behind thirty years of “carnival excess” by the banks that led to the financial crisis, to a site promoting non-commercial Christmas that calls the pre-Christmas period of Advent the practice that “puts the waiting back into wanting.” As they say there, “Greed cannot wait, so to learn to wait is a simple antidote to greed.”
If there really was a simple antidote to greed, then our job and Obama’s — assuming he does want a caring society, as I believe he does — would be rather easier.
It’s easier to say we must wait, than to tell us how to do it. Advent, and also Lent (about which Libby Purves was writing) are traditional Christian approaches and similar periods, like Ramadan or a weekly Shabbat, in other religions approach the question by giving us structured time-outs from normal consumption. In tightknit communities the communal pressure works to help us live by these disciplines. But in our pluralist, individualist society it comes down to individual choice even to join such a community.
I have nothing against Lent, Ramadan or Shabbat… for other people. I have never found them or their like appealing myself. But even for those who revel in them, there’s the question of how to be during the rest of the year or the week.
Weight loss is for many of us (certainly for me as someone who just loves to eat) one of the places where we have to learn how to deal with desires of our own that seem to inexorably lead to bad consequences. Most of us know by now that the way to lose weight is not to go on crash diets and then go back to our previously normal eating. Crash diets or various kinds of fasting definitely help some people. But then we all have to develop healthy eating habits that we can keep up permanently, which gradually move us to a healthy body and keep us there. And a key to that is for the food and the eating to be a pleasure, or to have a great deal of pleasure in it. Small and very tasty meals are key, plus the curious fact that tastebuds can often be retrained (I used to hate tea without sugar and now hate tea with it). But there’s something else too, an ability to have a different relationship to our hunger — an ability to stand away from it and look at it, and say, ah yes, I’m hungry, and there are probably excellent reasons for that, and what is it telling me about what to do next? I have found that not having food in the office means that often it’s halfway to the coffeeshop on the corner that sells brownies and currant scones that this voice kicks in and I find it more possible to choose to be OK with both my hunger and with not eating the brownie, or with going two blocks the other way to buy an apple instead (or else getting the brownie and enjoying it without guilt).
But what’s a daily discipline to “wanting” that can cover the whole spectrum from food to money to status to power…? An approach that brings more joy than martyred sense of sacrifice or loss, or of self-disgust? An approach that helps us stop either forcing ourselves to hate our desires or — the worst option — forcing others to provide what we want or getting it at their expense?
So many of the ascetic religious traditions seem, at least when they reach the likes of you and me (whatever they meant to the saints who got high on them), to involve repression of ourselves and our desires. We come to feel that our wanting itself is the problem, is bad in itself. The Christian culture down the centuries has been particularly burdened by self-disgust and a denigration of the body and its “filthy desires” (often diagnosed by male theologians as a particularly female problem) as opposed to the pure light of the spirit. I’m no expert on Hinduism but I did find persuasive Arthur Koestler’s assessment (in “The Yogi and the Commissar“) that much yogic discipline flows from body-hatred and romance with death.
My Buddhist friends tell me my wariness of Buddhism is due to my misunderstanding its central teachings about desire and suffering. But I still find it hard to get their point. It still seems to me that desire — “the force that through the green fuse drives the flower” is the very center of life, the driver of evolution itself, a glory not a problem — and that Buddhism somehow sees desire itself as a, or the, problem. Buddhist friends tell me it’s not the desire but the attachment that’s the problem, and that the way through is by major disciplines of meditation.
I’m probably just a slow learner — well I know I am. But maybe also I need a different way of learning. As soon as I read Miki’s article, I thought, this either puts right what’s wrong with Buddhism, or else it explains to me in psychological terms that I can understand what it’s been trying to tell me all along. It helps me that she’s not tying it to a religious tradition. Anyone can get this, whatever their religious belief.
I won’t try to summarize Miki’s article. But hopefully this has been enough to get a few people to read it.
Miki Kashtan is a co-founder of BayNVC, which is becoming increasingly well known beyond the San Francisco Bay Area (to which its name refers) as a promoter and developer of the NonViolent Communications practice and theory founded by Marshall Rosenberg. She is occasionally blogging with us.




Thanks for highlighting Miki’s piece Dave. It is excellent.
Just a few thoughts. First, there are many forms of Buddhism and there are different perspectives on desire and pleasure…etc. For example, Vajrayana/Tantric/Tibetan Buddhism embraces desire and pleasure as the foundation for transformation. From “Introduction to Tantra” by Lama Yeshe:
“Tantra seeks to transform every experience – no matter how ‘unreligious’ it may appear – into the path of fulfillment. It is precisely because our present life is so inseparably linked with desire that we must make use of desire’s tremendous energy if we wish to transform our life into something transcendental. Our experience of ordinary pleasure can be used as the resource for attaining the supremely pleasurable experience of totality or enlightenment.”
So perhaps you might like Tibetan Buddhism more so than other traditions. Likewise it is the attachment to desire that is the problem, but in Tantric Buddhism there is no effort to escape, repress or deny it as is the case in other Buddhist traditions and non-Buddhist religions. It is an incredibly life affirming idea. And it is similar to Nietzsche’s philosophical project of recapturing the Dionysiac ecstasy of tragedy, art, dance and music as a new form of spirituality. He wanted to say YES to life, just like the Tantric Buddhist does.
While Miki doesn’t name morality as a contributing factor a reevaluation of it underlies her project. It is our systems of morality that cause us to deny our experiences. For example when a child is told to “be good” by a catholic school nun, you better believe he will lie about his internal state in order to say the right thing. Nietzsche was trying to recreate spirituality in the form of a radical YES to the present moment. For him there was no being, only becoming. Everything is in flux – always changing. This is why systems of morality or those based on rigidity such as science are limiting. NVC is doing the same thing. Tantric Buddhism is as well. Morality causes us to ask, Should be feeling this way? Will I be good if I honor the spirit that is flowing through me in the now? Am I bad for feeling this? Why do I feel guilty for being sad?
Isadora Duncan, the early pioneer of modern dance was a devotee of Nietzsche and she similarly sought to reconstruct Christian morality and create something more life affirming. She rejected the rigidity of ballet and instead sought to capture the experience of the moment through dance. Other pioneers, Ruth St. Denis and Martha Graham also read Nietzsche. And the three of them were mystics-well read in the religious, spiritual and esoteric traditions of the world. (A fascinating read is “Nietzsche’s Dancers: Isadora Duncan, Martha Graham, and the Revaluation of Christian Values”)
This is why in my opinion NVC is inherently a spiritual practice. And it is why I compare it to Tantric Buddhism, Nietzsche and Isadora Duncan. They are all undermining traditional notions of morality-mostly Christian in nature, but also connected to the individualism of Enlightenment liberalism and rationalism and Western Philosophy. Nietzsche was not a fan of Plato or Socrates. In his opinion Plato upset the short but significant run of Greek tragedy/drama which was a more correct approach to life-one that embraced the reality of experience-both tragic and ecstatic. Plato on the other hand began the Western philosophical tradition which is based on rationalism and discovering how to “be good.” The playwright Euripedes injected this Socratic focus on the pursuit of knowledge and emphasis on human thought into theatre. For this, Nietzsche said he was the murderer of art.
NVC, Tantric Buddhism, Isadora Duncan, Nietzsche…etc are forms and ideas of saying yes to the moment to moment reality of existence. Yes to the body, incarnation, sexuality and the senses. Yes to our feelings. NVC gives us a language to communicate this; Nietzsche gave us the philosophy; Isadora Duncan gave us the movement and Tantric Buddhism gives us the spiritual tradition.
I am of course making some generalizations when I lump these various things together. Time and space permitting I can hash out the details of the similarities and differences of these things. But in general they are interesting commentary on how to experience what is, rather than what should be.
In terms of social justice, Miki’s piece reminds me of the conversation we often have at Starr King School for the Ministry around poverty and homelessness. I think we often give money or perform “charity” so that we don’t have to feel the anguish associated with living in a world that produces so much suffering. It requires more time and attention to be open to feeling the suffering many of our brothers and sisters experience. It’s not to say that we should never give anything to people in need. But rather we must examine our motivations and see if we are running from a true experience of sadness, anguish or distress. It is this feeling that must guide us. We must allow ourselves to experience the reality of this world. And this might mean being wrecked or anguished by what we see.
This is why the forming of relationships is so crucial in anti-oppression and social justice work. It is through relationship that we can hear the lived experience and pain of others and vice versa. This takes true courage, unlike handing someone money in order to escape difficult feelings.
“Attention is the rarest and purest form of generosity” – Simone Weil