The Sun Is Setting on the Two-State Solution
by: Peter Marmorek on November 24th, 2009 | 23 Comments »
Perhaps recent leaders of Israel might made better choices had they spent more time reading Sherlock Holmes. Of particular use to them might have been The Adventure of the Beryl Coronet in which Holmes says, “It is an old maxim of mine that when you have excluded the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.” Then they might have realized that the result of making a two-state solution impossible was to make a one-state solution inevitable. Having worked to weaken Palestine, to undermine all Palestinian leaders, to create – in Sharon’s memorable phrase for the settlements – facts on the ground they are now like a go player who having focused exclusively on a specific battle over territory suddenly looks at the bigger picture and realizes he’s lost the game.
We are now at that point of realization. Almost 10% of Israeli Jews now live in the Territories or in East Jerusalem. It would be impossible for any Israeli government to make a peace offer to Palestinians that would give up those homes and settlements: in Israeli politics, their coalition would instantly disappear. (And it’s unlikely they could do it militarily: the BBC reports that , “An increasing number of Israeli soldiers are publicly objecting, on religious and political grounds, to their role in the evacuation of Jewish settlements in the West Bank.”) Similarly, it would not be possible for any Palestinian leader to accept the kind of offer any Israeli leader might realistically make: his support would also disappear. The handful of bantustans offered as a Palestinian country at Oslo might have been the closest to a joint solution ever reached. And if a two-state solution is impossible,as seems increasingly clear, then the only alternative, however improbable, is a one-state solution.
A one state solution means a country open to both Jews and Muslims. This is also called a binational solution, and its supporters “advocate a single state in Israel, the West Bank and Gaza Strip, with citizenship and equal rights in the combined entity for all inhabitants of all three territories, without regard to ethnicity or religion.” Edward Said called for this, saying “the question is not how to devise means for persisting in trying to separate,” Israelis and Palestinians, “but to see whether it is possible for them to live together as fairly and peacefully as possible. But while this once sounded like an impossible dream, it is increasingly being seen on both sides as inevitable.
Stephen Walt’s recent piece A New Era in the Middle East? Uh-Oh nails it:
Be careful what you wish for. Israel is going to get what it has long sought: permanent control of the West Bank (along with de facto control over Gaza). The Palestinian Authority is increasingly irrelevant and may soon collapse, General Keith Dayton’s mission to train reliable and professional Palestinian security forces will end, and Israel will once again have full responsibility for some 5.2 million Palestinian Arabs under its control. And the issue will gradually shift from the creation of a viable Palestinian state — which was the central idea behind the Oslo process and the subsequent “Road Map” — to a struggle for civil and political rights within an Israel that controls all of mandate Palestine.
Jimmy Carter sees it coming too:
“Many Palestinian leaders are seriously considering acceptance of one state, between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea,” Carter wrote.”By renouncing the dream of an independent Palestine, they would become fellow citizens with their Jewish neighbors and then demand equal rights within a democracy,” he added.
The “demographic time bomb”, the higher birth rate of Palestinians than Israelis, and the inexorable rise in the percentage of non-Jewish population in such a state has terrified Israelis. Olmert plays to that fear in a recent interview in Haaretz, in which he is quoted as saying, “If the day comes when the two-state solution collapses, and we face a South African-style struggle for equal voting rights (also for the Palestinians in the territories), then, as soon as that happens, the State of Israel is finished.” And if you look at the polls, Israelis are overwhelmingly opposed to such a solution. So how can one assert its inevitability?
That question led me to the Electronic Intifada, and a long and fascinating exploration of that very question by Ali Abunimah, a long-time commentator on the Middle East, and proponent of he one-state solution. He compares Israel to South Africa, looking in detail at the attitudes of the white South Africans who were unalterably opposed to giving equal rights to blacks and coloureds, until their government recognized that there was no other possible solution. Abunimah says:
What did change for South Africa, and what all the weapons in the world were not able to prevent, was the complete loss of legitimacy of the apartheid regime and its practices. Once this legitimacy was gone, whites lost the will to maintain a system that relied on repression and violence and rendered them international pariahs; they negotiated a way out and lived to tell the tale. It all happened much more quickly and with considerably less violence than even the most optimistic predictions of the time. But this outcome could not have been predicted based on what whites said they were willing to accept, and it would not have occurred had the ANC been guided by opinion polls rather than the democratic principles of the Freedom Charter.
Zionism — as many Israelis openly worry — is suffering a similar, terminal loss of legitimacy as Israel is ever more isolated as a result of its actions. Israel’s self-image as a liberal “Jewish and democratic state” is proving impossible to maintain against the reality of a militarized, ultra-nationalist Jewish sectarian settler-colony that must carry out frequent and escalating massacres of “enemy” civilians (Lebanon and Gaza 2006, Gaza 2009) in a losing effort to check the resistance of the region’s indigenous people. Zionism cannot bomb, kidnap, assassinate, expel, demolish, settle and lie its way to legitimacy and acceptance.
The same conclusion is explored on “Informed Comment”, Juan Cole’s award winning blog. Cole starts by quoting Saeb Erekat, who heads the PLO steering committee, who recently asked “that Palestine Authority president Mahmoud Abbas should be frank with the Palestinian people and admit to them that there is no possibility of a two-state solution given continued Israeli colonization of the West Bank.” Cole goes on to say:
It is morally and ethically unconscionable to leave millions of Palestinians in a condition of statelessness, in which they have no rights … Therefore, if there isn’t going to be a 2-state solution, there will have to be a one-state solution, in which Israel gives citizenship to the Palestinians.
The implications of Erekat’s statement gets a fine exegesis on counterpunch, where John Whitbeck observes that, “This statement just might signal a turning point in the long, frustrating search for peace with some measure of justice in Israel/Palestine.”
So is that the end of Israel? Not necessarily. Over at Radical Middle, there’s a fine exploration both of the reasons why a one-state solution is coming and the extent – in the blending of economies, electric grids, aquifers – it’s already here. Here’s a fine quote from that piece:
The former deputy mayor of Jerusalem, Meron Benvenisti, nicely sums up this line of thinking when he says, “The question is no longer whether [Israel-Palestine] will be binational, but which [one-state] model to choose.” The one-state solution is more than just a sensible adjustment to the facts, though. As presented by its post-Arafat, post-Zionism-as-religious-statehood advocates, it is both sensibleandvisionary.
So if, gallingly, there is to be a single state in partes tres (Israel, Palestine, and Gaza) how could Jewish culture, language and religion ever survive? Where is there a model for a minority holding on to such a separate identity? In a recent post on Mondoweiss, Bernard Avishai suggests a possible route:
The reason why I would like to live in a democratic state with a Jewish character is my attachment to the Hebrew language, the challenges of Jewish history, the grandeur of the Torah, the excitement of modern Israel poetry and popular culture – in other words, the same reasons why French Quebecers want a democratic province with a Québeçois character….Could I be happy if Israel were in some larger federation, like Quebecers, or French citizens, for that matter. Yes.
As an anglophone in Québec, I grew up always surrounded by two cultures, and the cultural, linguistic, and spiritual richness of that experience was a great gift, not a hardship. Canada certainly has political challenges, (that’s a different piece!) and there are valid reasons why people of good faith support separatism, but the country has survived by being in the classic phrase, as Canadian as possible, under the circumstances. At its best that means honouring the different founding cultures, races, and religions. It means there is no one way to be Canadian, so different cultures aren’t expected to melt down into a mythical homogeneous whole, (which is why there’ll never be a House of UnCanadian Activities). Compared to the horrors of an endless war in pursuit of an impossible two-state solution that is somehow acceptable to both sides, a Québec solution doesn’t look so bad.



I started using the phrase “Israel Palestine” about three years ago when I started my business selling Palestinian olive oil exported by two Israeli and one Palestinian fair trade groups. I was not completely comfortable with the phrase, but my work selling this product (“Peace Oil”, http://www.peaceoil.net) put me in a position where I felt I had to be as fair as possible. I put the Israel first, because after all, I am Jewish and was raised in a strong Zionist family. At the time, I don’t recall ever seeing the phrase used by anyone else, but now I’m seeing it more frequently. I guess more and more of us are being put in this odd position of having to see both sides as equals, as peers, as … well potential fellow citizens.
My family of origin is still single-minded in their Zionist point of view. The Palestinians are the enemy. If they can’t or don’t want to control the extremists that commit terror against Israel, we have no choice but to continue the occupation. My father frets over the fate of Israel and is very pessimistic about it’s chances of survival. My sister believes that the occupation is protecting Palestinians from violence and providing them with a better way of life. Most American Jews and Israelis I would assume are still no where near as comfortable with the idea of a one-state solution as is Mr. Avishai.
I also support the local chapter of Brit Tzedek v’Shalom (now part of J Street). They too recognize that we are fast approaching the end game for a two-state solution, but still believe there is hope and that they can at least try to get the US to aggressively push for a two-state solution. It seems as if the politics in Israel has been frozen since 1967. Various Presidents have made valiant efforts and things are still frozen. So, I would have to say J Street is most likely putting their eggs in the wrong basket, but if you believe in something, you shouldn’t give up until it’s clearly out of reach. I wouldn’t say we are at that point yet. But for the first time in my life I can see that it may be soon enough and it may not be as terrifying as we always thought it would be.
I am very much in agreement with the statement by Bernard Avishai. In explaining why Jews feel they are a nation to those who don’t understand how a religion can be a nation, I myself have often used the French as my metaphor. Avishai’s statement is probably the strongest I’ve seen to date that looks forward to the idea of one Israel Palestine (Palestine Israel for Palestinians I guess) and puts a positive spin on it that I can accept as more than a pipe dream.
None of us knows where this thing will end up. One thing I am certain of though … no Mandelas appear to be on the horizon and his presence was a major factor in bringing apartheid to an end with a minimum of conflagration. As such, I feel the fact that a one-state solution still engenders fear in many Jews is quite understandable.
Thanks for the comments, David: I don’t see much difference in our positions (not a comment one gets to make a lot on this topic, I must say.) I do wonder about the “No Mandela’s” though: Israel has not encouraged Palestinian leaders who have views differing from theirs. I think of that lovely Hindu saying, “When you are ready for the guru, he will be there.” I wonder if when Israel is ready for the Palestinian Mandela, they may find him there too.
Peter
. . . . I strongly believe, that Jews and Palestinians can live together peacefully with equal rights in a
secular democratic state . . . .
. . . . .He who wants it will seek ways, he who doesn’t want it will seek arguments . . . .
The two-state solution is dead – and good riddance! But the corpse is starting to stink, so let’s give it a decent burial. A bi-cultural, multinational state is actually a fairly attractive option.
It took the essentially peaceful, “feminized” Jews of Europe 2000 years to figure out that the only way a nation gets any respect in this world of patriarchal states is to masculinize, militarize, colonize, and establish a patriarchal state of their own. At first it worked: rates of antisemitism worldwide dropped like a stone in those first two decades following the establishment of the state of Israel. What Israelis have failed to adjust to is that all those macho qualities that got them a state are undergoing serious reconsideration as a result of postcolonialism, postmodernism, and globalism. The “muscle Jew” is no longer quite so attractive.
As a citizen of one of the two “feminized” nations on this continent vis-a-vis the muscle-bound US, I can say that it’s really not so bad living in a bi-cultural, multinational country – even if we Canadians do sometimes make the mistake of electing a prime minister with phallus envy (but Harper won’t be in office forever). Unlike the centripetal, e pluribus unum United States, Canada is a centrifugal confederation that clings to its officially-mandated myth of multiculturalism in order to keep its diverse constituencies from flying apart. Quebec separatism, Western Canadian alienation, Aboriginal self-government – these and myriad other regional and cultural divisions are “business as usual” in Canada. It’s who we are.
Yes, we have racism; yes, we have sexism and homophobia. And, yes, we even have a bit of antisemitism – and we now have an irksome pro-Zionist lobby that is currently blowing it way out of proportion. But as “a nation of minorities,” we like to acknowledge that the “human” is a completely open-ended signifier, subject to endlessly different interpretations – even if acknowledging such a progressive idea is not the same as actually living it out in practise.
What we don’t have (besides foreign policy, which, alas, we outsource to Washington) is an overdeveloped sense of patriotism: being “as Canadian as possible, under the circumstances” is indeed the best we can do in that department. But who needs patriotism? Israeli patriotism – “Zionism,” with its outlandish sense of national superiority – is what keeps Israel’s conflict with Palestine and the rest of the Arab world smoldering. While it might prick the mighty egos of the Ashkenazim, the one-state solution would be the necessary first step in the integration of Israel into the Middle East. But too many Israelis would rather build an ugly concrete wall around themselves instead. That could change.
Hi Delia,
I’ve enjoyed several of your very fine pieces on feminism, and share your views about the need to transcend the shallow patriarchal perspectives that have gotten us to where we find ourselves today. A few reactions to your post: I’d argue at this point for a tri-national rather than bi-national state: Gaza and the West Band might do better as provinces than as a single unit.
And as for patriotism (“the last refuge of a scoundrel” as Dr Johnson put it) I can’t think of a lot of good things that have come from it. Let’s give it a burial too: Human rights are the issue that has caused outbreaks of patriotism, when my tribe feels oppressed by yours. If we can focus on that then the countries and borders are less critical.
Peter
The idea of a two-state solution was first conceived in the notorious Balfour Declaration – but apparent the Zionist movement did not like it as it always believed in a demographic Jewish state in Palestine.Both Chaim Weizmann (first president of Israel and the father of Zionist entity and its first prime minister, David Ben Gurion, told their Zionist foot-soldiers to make life so miserable for the Natives that they prefer to leave Palestine. They carried out their agenda of ethnic cleansing after the declaration of state of Israel with the help Trans-Jordan and Egypt.
Zionist leaders know that a sovereign Palestine state next to Israel would be a death-nail for the Zionist entity not in the far future. That’s why they with the help of ZOGs in the US and Europe are keeping Palestinian divided between Gaza and the West Bank.
The ‘two-state’ solution is totally impractical. One Palestine under a democratic rule with equal rights for both the Natives and western alien Jews – is the only peaceful and durable solution.
Eretz Israel and the “Two-State” solution
http://rehmat1.wordpress.com/2009/07/18/eretz-israel-and-the-two-state-solution/
. One Palestine under a democratic rule with equal rights for both the Natives and western alien Jews – is the only peaceful and durable solution.
It might be both more peaceful and more durable if we said, “… with equal rights for all people”. I don’t see how a Palestinian state adjacent to Israel would be a “death-nail”, but as things are now I don’t see such a state as being possible, whether it is desirable or not. And politics is the art of the possible.
As a (formerly active) go player, I was astonished to see a reference to my game early in your article. How many readers would be more enlightened by that than by the simpler usual reference to winning the battle but losing the war? As, perhaps, the USSR, lost the war against capitalism by agreeing to spend outrageously on military toys — a mistake the US governing Elite seem determined (and able) to make Obama do as well. (Governance by Elite would not be so bad if they were not so very, very stupid.)
As to One/Two/Three states, I prefer 3: 1 Jewish but smaller than pre-67 Israel; one Palestinian (chiefly Muslim but notably Christian as well, unless Israel has completed its purge of Christians from Christianity’s Holy Land); and a 3d for Jews and Palestinians who would prefer to live and make a life together; boundaries to be redrawn every 10 years for 50 years as preferences change). Not everyone demands a tribal solution, and anyone who would relish a one-state would probably opt for the joint Jewish-Palestinian min-state.
However, reality beckons. What happens if the PLO says (as they well might say after all that’s happened), “We no longer want our own state more than we want an end of oppression. We accept a one-state, but it must be democratic and non-oppressive toward us. What we have now is an anti-democratic one-state with an apartheid character which is replete with oppression. We challenge Israel to BE democratic instead of merely to CLAIM to be democratic.
Israel (at the level of its government, at the level of its own governing Elite) has shown not merely a tolerance but a voluptuous taste for oppression (of Palestinians). Why on earth would it terminate its status quo single state, which it likes so very, very well, just because the PLO (or anyone else without muscle) suggested it?
No, the real answer is clear: the status quo will continue and probably get worse until — at long last, as they say, and this is really long — the US gets tired of defending and supporting the indefensible and insupportable and lays down the law. One wishes this would happen sooner rather than later, but Walt & Mearsheimer did not kill the beast, they merely described it. In a trice the USA could repeat, but with actual determination, that ALL the settlements are illegal, and give Israel a time-certain (say until 1/1/11) to remove the 500,000 settlers from all the occupied territories (you know what I mean — the territories Israel acquired in June 1967 and still controls) and turn over the settlement buildings and highways to the PLO/PA unless they first destroy them. ILLEGAL must have some meaning, and this is what it means to me. (The wall is also illegal.)
How many US’s does it take to make Mideast peace? Only one, but it must make up its mind (that is, the minds of that portion of its governing Elite which is not part of The Lobby) to do so. Maybe we’ll go broke first from our senseless military spending, our bailouts, and all the rest, or maybe the (drumroll !) End-Of-Oil will occur either because we really use the stuff up or because Global Warming concerns cause us to actually curt back on oil usage. Or maybe the “horse will speak.” But it doesn’t look like happening any other way.
Hello Pabelmont,
One of the things I remember from my Go days is the (in my experience) unique way the focus oscillated between the microgame and the macrogame. Israel’s focus on a zero-sum game (“if it hurts them, it helps us”) has largely created this situation in an analogous way. It’s not about Pyrrhic victories.
You ask: Why on earth would [Israel] terminate its status quo single state, which it likes so very, very well, just because the PLO (or anyone else without muscle) suggested it? That is the key question. And it seems to me that the answer is because as it becomes more and more clear that the status quo is a single state, and that there is no possible solution that might lead to two states, the visible difference between South African apartheid and the Middle East becomes less and less.
Whatever one may think of it, it is clear that world wide there is increasing delegitimization of Israel and increasing support of the BDS movement. That movement is starting to affect Israel, and certainly showing up in the US. Glaciers don’t melt overnight but, sadly, they still melt. The pressure on Israel to treat all its citizens equally is growing and I can’t imagine what forces would stop that from continuing, particularly as the number of non-Jewish citizens within its borders increase, whether from birthrates or expanding borders.
Thanks for the fine comments.
I share many of the sentiments expressed in this article, but would like to add three things. First, I’m somewhat surprised that the author excluded Christians in his formulation: “A one state solution means a country open to both Jews and Muslims.” True, Christians are a small minority of Palestinians, but not tiny or insignificant, and many prominent people, such as Edward Said, quoted in the article, and Hanan Ashrawi, have sprung from the Christian community.
Second, even if the two-state solution were still physically possible, and Israel willing to evacuate its settlements and withdraw to the 1967 borders, i.e., even if we were living in a fantasy-land that has sustained much of the international community’s focus for decades, there still would be a moral problem inherent in the Jewish State. One-fifth of its citizens are not Jewish, and unlike minorities in the US and most other civilized countries, they are not guaranteed equality under the law. They may have the right to vote, but there remain gross inequalities in housing, employment, education, and virtually every other public sphere. These are officially sanctioned, not merely private prejudices that no country can stamp out. Israel could seek to reduce these inequalities, though it has shown no interest in doing so more than six decades into its existence. But once again, in our visit to fantasy-land, let us imagine that Israel moves in the right direction. Still, the differences between Jewish and non-Jewish citizens could never be eliminated. Non-Jews could never feel equal in a Jewish State, and worse, their status would be inferior to Diaspora Jews as well. I, as an American Jew, could move to Israel and immediately enjoy superior rights and privileges over people who were born there and whose families have lived there for centuries. The one-state solution solves this intractable problem inherent in the notion of a Jewish State.
Finally, while Israelis and their supporters claim that people like Ahmadinejad and Hamas and Hezbollah leaders want to see the “destruction” of Israel, they actually have hoped for the end of a state that openly practices Jewish supremacy. If one state is inevitable, and a growing number of people think it is, the peaceful transformation to a state of truly equal citizenship with protection for all religious beliefs would be welcomed in many quarters. Nothing has to be “destroyed” and Israeli Jews would not have to suffer dispossession the way Palestinians have. My point is not that the desires of these other leaders should be satisfied, or that they are heroes of any sort, but that defenders of Israel are forced to distort and exaggerate statements made them to camouflage that the “evil” Israel seeks to avoid is not genocide or expulsion but simple equality.
Hello David, and thank you for your comments,
First, I’m somewhat surprised that the author excluded Christians in his formulation: The author is deeply embarrassed over this omission. You are absolutely right. And also people who follow no religion or non-Abrahamic religions. My bad.
Second, even if … there still would be a moral problem inherent in the Jewish State. That is key, and is perhaps why some Israelis so fear the single state, and why some Palestinians support it. If there is a single state, having a privileged position for Jews becomes an exactly apartheid position, which would be politically indefensible. If there are two states, it is marginally more defensible, as we see in the current debate. (Clarification: I agree with you, but not everyone does)
Finally, while Israelis and their supporters claim that people like Ahmadinejad and Hamas and Hezbollah leaders want to see the “destruction” of Israel, they actually have hoped for the end of a state that openly practices Jewish supremacy I think that’s true of some of the leaders. I don’t think that”s universally true. I certainly hope your vision of a peaceful transition comes to pass; while some say it’s impossible, South Africa has managed it. But I just don’t see any way forward that leads anywhere else.
Thank you for your thoughtful reply. Sorry to embarrass you about omitting Christians. It obviously was an inadvertent omission based on temporary brain-freeze, the kind I experience all the time, and not on ignorance.
On the other two points, I have moderate differences with you. I don’t think Jewish privilege in a two-state solution is any more defensible than a one-state. Today, 62 years into Israel’s existence, Arab schoolchildren are not only ediucated separately, but the state allocates several times the expenditures per capita for Jewish over Arab students. That situation, which is typical of the way Arab minority citizens are treated by the governing authorities, would continue with a two-state solution. Note that in 1954, separate but equal schooling was banned in the US; separate and grossly unequal education is the rule in today’s Israel. There continues to be a ban on intermarriage in Israel; such bans were outlawed in 1967 in the US, and thatt’s a surprisingly recent date.
With a two-state solution, there may well be some Jews who opt to stay in Palestine and acquire citizenship there. I cannot imagine that Israel, the worldwide Jewish community, or the world community as a whole, would tolerate the same kind of discrimination against them as minority citizens. There would be howls of protest, as there should be. But how could Israel insist on better treatment for Palestinian Jews than it gives to Israeli non-Jews?
Finally, you question whether some Arab leaders would like to see Jews desroyed or expelled from Israel altogether. I think the fabrication and exaggeration of this problem knows no bounds. In addition to what I wrote in response to Julian, there is a widespread quote of Nasrallah, the Hezbollah leader, about how Jews gathering in Israel would save the trouble of hunting them down around the world. I think five minutes of internet research would expose this quote as fabricated (see Charles Glass’s convincing analysis) but it also raises the question of the motivation of the fanatics who plant such nonsense and the willingness of so many to believe it. Google “throwing or pushing Jews into the sea” and you will find every hit to be of the “that’s what they want to do to us” variety rather than “that’s what we want to do to them.” Did some Arab at some time make this threat? Perhaps, but it is easy to find quotes of similar barbarity about the acceptability or even religious necessity of killing Arab civilians.
On the whole, Peter, I am very encouraged to see your well-reasoned analysis published online in this respectable forum, and your message of the viability, and perhaps the inevitability, of a one-state solution is much more meaningful to me than the trifling differences I have discussed above.
Hi David,
A few quick responses. Point One: If I leave out an important issue, no apology needed for pointing it out to me.
Point two: I don’t think we have any disagreement here. Again, sloppy wording on my part [blush]. What I meant is that in a one state situation the kind of discrimination we see practiced currently becomes even harder to justify. You are absolutely right that in a two-state solution it would become more necessary for both sides to treat each other’s peoples equally well.
Point three: I think we do have a mild disagreement here. I agree that there has been huge and horrendous exaggerations of the anti-Israel position of Arab and Palestinian leaders, and you cite some examples of this, But the Hamas Charter doesn’t help matters Hamas, which was founded in Gaza during the intifada of 1987, has come to embody the fears that many Israelis hold about the Palestinians. Its charter declares, “There is no solution to the Palestinian problem except by jihad.” The document, which is in many respects absurd and reflects the intellectual isolation and conspiracy-fed atmosphere in Gaza at the time, cites the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion,” the anti-Semitic forgery, and links Zionism to the Freemasons, the Lions Club, and “other spying groups” that aim “to violate consciences, to defeat virtues, and to annihilate Islam.”The New Yorker and Nasrallah has been quoted as saying “There is no solution to the conflict in this region except with the disappearance of Israel” . But I certainly agree that there is at least as much fanaticism on both sides, and that Israeli fanaticism is more dangerous because they’re better armed. Your response to Julian was exactly right in this regard on Iran.
And yes, it’s a pleasure to be on the same side with you at the barricades…. thanks again for your comments.
I love columns like this. Anti Zionists quote each other praising the amazing solutions they’ve come up with. I’m sure the Israelis would jump to be dhimmis in an Islamic State. Hamas, Hezbollah and Ahmadinejad love Israel and only wish it the best of everything. The problem is as the award winning Juan Cole said is in the translation of their love notes.
Only progressives can come up with such silliness.
“Only progressives can come up with such silliness.”
Julian, I don’t think you give yourself nearly enough credit.
The point of the piece is not that a one-state solution is desirable, but that no other solution is possible. Obviously many people don’t want such a solution: both Palestinians who would like to eliminate Israel, and Israelis who want all of Judea and Samaria. You correct assert that there are people in the Middle East who hate each other. No one could disagree. But the issue is what is going to happen next, which you avoid discussing.
Julian -
Sarcasm has its place, but it cannot mask your inability to say anything of substance. Needless to say, I never said these leaders have love for Israel, but just to take the most notorious example, Ahmadinejad has been consistently accused of threatening to destroy Israel with nuclear weapons. Sure, there is a dispute over translation, but even taking the non-Juan Cole translation, he never hinted that the Iranian military would be used to attack Israel. On Larry King last year, he said the following: “But our solution is, in fact, a very humanitarian one and a very democratic one. What we’re saying is that throughout the Palestinian territories, people should gather to determine the type of government that they’d like to have and have an election for that, free elections for all, under the supervision of international organizations.” There is little doubt that if all the people in the region controlled by Israel were given the vote, Israel would cease to exist as a Jewish State. This position, in favor of elections, is completely consistent with everything the guy has said, regardless of how inappropriate and incendiary his remarks can sometimes be. The fact is that one person-one vote elections would sink the Jewish State, and people such as yourself would rather hyperventilate about imaginary military threats than recognize that simple truth.
Contrast this with Israel’s position. Israeli leaders have repeatedly called for and threatened attacks by their military against Iran. So you have one non-nuclear country that severely criticizes the way another country is run, and advocates a democratic solution that would change it; and another country, loaded with nukes, which explicitly threatens military attack in response. No wonder people like Netanyahu and Dershowitz insist that Iran has threatened to destroy Israel with nukes. SOunds much better than the truth.
As for whether the Israeli Jews would ever accept being dhimmis in an Islamic State – No is the answer, and one I would wholeheartedly support. But neither Marmorek nor I advocate an Islamic State. The problem is that Israeli Jews would not support or accept being equals in a secular state in which religious freedoms are guaranteed to all. Frankly, they must be pushed into such acceptance, just like South African whites were pushed into it from a position of overwhelming opposition.
There are no secular Islamic majority states. It’s a fantasy you progressives have.
The Israelis are not the South Africans. There are vast differences. A good portion of white south Africans supported the Black Majority. There is virtually no support for dhimmihood in Israel.
1. There is still a chance for a two state solution. The Geneva Accord signed by Yossi Beilin and Yasser Abed Rabo in December 03 is as of this date the most highly detailed publicized “accord” that has ever been signed by (nongovernmental but high standing) officials of the Palestinian and Israeli sides. If there has been a great increase in the settlers in the West Bank making a two state agreement impossible it should be documented how many extra settlers are currently in the parts of the West Bank envisioned to be part of the Palestinian state as envisioned in that agreement. Pointing to Jewish settlers that are on the Israeli side of the border as envisioned in Geneva is to negate the progress that the Geneva Accord represented/represents.
2. If we wish to imagine a one state solution there are three acts of imagination that are necessary: a. imagining the Palestinian leadership actually declaring their desire to be granted Israeli citizenship, b. imagining what that binational state will look like, and c. imagining a shift in the Israeli public or leadership’s attitude towards this binational state.
3. It should be noted that the ratio of nonwhites to whites in South Africa at the time of the handover of power from de Klerk to Mandela was approximately 9 to 1, whereas currently the ratio of Jew to nonJew is approximately 1 to 1. This difference in ratios makes a difference particularly in terms of Jewish readiness to accept the inevitability of dissolution of the Zionist dream.
It takes 2 sides to bargain and the Palestinians despite the malarkey of the progressive left are not yet ready to make a deal. Olmert offered 97% of the West Bank. A corridor connecting the West Bank and Gaza, which more than made up for the missing 3%. He offered to settle thousands of Palestinians in Israel accepting the principle of “right of return”. Abbas responded that the differences were too wide to make a deal. Palestinian intransigence caused the Israeli political shift to the right. Netanyahu will never make an offer as generous as Olmert.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/05/28/AR2009052803614.html
Julian,
Well, let’s start with the positive: I agree that Netanyahu will never make as generous an offer. But now look at a map of what Olmert offered a Palestinian Archipelago, a series of disconnected islands, with Israeli control of the spaces between. Discontiguous land areas are not a country, nor a genuine offer of one.
Thanks for a great article Peter,
I think a Palestinian Mandela, or some team like that, has to come someday. It’s the winning strategy for normalizing relations. Otherwise, Israelis feel they have no choice. The Palestinian militants seem to tell them, “Let yourselves be killed, or else we kill you.” The Israeli’s naturally conclude, “We have to wall them out and put armed guards on them. They want to kill us all.”
Mandela & Co. removed that sort of standoff in South Africa. Talk becomes possible once the death threats are set aside. Probably something similar will come to Israel-Palestine.
Thanks for the comment, Brian.
There’s a wonderful old Hindu saying: When you’re ready for the guru, he’ll be there. I suspect that’s the case with those who are looking for a Mandela among Palestinians. When the Israelis are ready to listen to a charismatic leader who supports peace and reconciliation they’ll discover that they’ve been there all along.
On the other side of that coin, there’s the Sufi saying, “When the pickpocket looks at the wise man, all he sees are his pockets.” And that too is true, sadly….
A one-state solution to the decades-old Israeli-Palestinian conflict would not work. It would set the precedent for civil war between the two populations and therefore more bloodshed. Plus the Jews really would end up becoming a minority in their own state, which isn’t particularly desirable. Either a two-state solution or a tri-state solution in sort of the same model as India and Pakistan is the way to go. India has East Pakistan on one side and West Pakistan on the other side of it. There’ve also been suggestions of one Palestinian sovereign nation-state comprised of West Bank, and another Palestinian Sovereign nation-state comprised of the Gaza Strip. Jerusalem should be an international city and a shared capitol between Israel and the independent, sovereign Palestinian nation-states.