Comments on: Is the Proposed Health Bill Worse than Nothing?

By: John Michaels

John Michaels — Sat, 21 Nov 2009 04:43:47 +0000

Stumbled across your post while searching through google. I read the first paragraph and its great! I do not have time to read it all now, but I have bookmarked this site and will read the rest tonight. : )

By: Alex Sirota

Alex Sirota — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:32:31 +0000

If you are interested in hearing from Americans who live in Canada please visit http://healthcare.democratsabroad.ca.

Whether the health care reform bill will pass or not is academic at this point in my opinion.

1. If it passes it will be the start of a wholesome debate. Even if the bill is stillborn at least it is the start of a real debate on what really SHOULD be done. Blaming Republicans or Democrats on the outcome is a useless exercise which will cost any politician real votes when costs skyrocket beyond any control in the next 5-10 years.

2. If the bill does not pass, then the Republicans will blame Democrats on the lack of any ability to act and create real “change.” The end result of that will be a backlash against Republicans showing everyone that they just want the status quo. It will be quite transparent what the real solution will be.

Inevitably, the American public will get the proverbial 2×4 over their collective heads when it costs 50% of a salary to pay for health care and small businesses begin to really suffer. As was said above single payer is probably the only real way to do health care.

Read more about real Americans experiences north of the border here: http://healthcare.democratsabroad.ca.

By: Brenda Nelson

Brenda Nelson — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:18:35 +0000

I agree that doing nothing would be better than the bill that has been offered–but for none of the reasons given above. Spiritually, we have ALL allowed the high cost of health care, the high cost of insurance, and the painfulness of the medical procedures to happen–FOR A GOOD REASON. We and The Great Mother have pushed it away from ourselves because we do not need it any longer. We are being challenged to discover that all healing power exists within us–all of it. It is totally free–which makes it a big threat to the patriarchal market place mind set. As a 35 year practitioner ( and counselor) of spirit/mind/emotion/body connection, I know for a fact that no illness we get can be healed better byallopathic medical approaches than by simply going within and finding the limiting beliefs, their precipitate emotions that have cause the energy blockage in the body. Qunatum physics tells us that there is nothing in the Universe but energy and consciousness. Our consciousness has manifested a body that acts as a teacher for us. When the soul is ready to deal with a spiritual ( mental emotional) issue, and the mind resists, then eventually it shows up in the body, in a more and a more severely energy-blocking manner–until the mind finally “gets” the message and sees the basic spiritual truth that has been offered in dreams and other symbolism, form the soul. But if the mind continues to resist the body simply dies. We cross to another reality where understanding the spiritual issue behind the disease is shown to us–when we are ready.

Allopathic medicine treats only symptoms. Allopathic medicine is the medicine contrived by the intellect–the part of our mind that is designed for looking at the short range and superficial aspects of our reality. We need the Feminine mind in order to be able to apprehend the true way to heal our bodies–and that will always be by using the mind to exmaine our beliefs, to be aware of our feelings in a more honest way, also to use art, dreams, intuition, meditation, prayer and revelation–and most of an attitude of “allowing everything” to get to what we need in order to thrive spiritually–and therefore physically.

This bill would make superficial management of symptoms even more readily available to a public than it already is. This is something we have all allowed–but can stop allowing. As with the rising cost of gasoline, which makes us use it less, which is a good thing–so too the rising cost of allopathic medicine/treatments will make us use it less–which is also a good thing. So I gibe the bill a big thumbs down and agree with Rabbi Lerner that it is most definitely worse than nothing. Nothing OUTSIDE is exactly what we need. It will allow us the space to discover our INNER power to heal ourselves of any illness. That is what is needed.

By: Gary Duell

Gary Duell — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:24:11 +0000

As a purveyor of health insurance policies, let me assure you that Dr. Geyman is right: doing nothing would be better than this bill.
Apparently Americans aren’t suffering enough under our current system to demand a robust public option or, even better, national single payer health care. If this bill passes, millions of Americans will still go bankrupt from medical bills, millions will still die from absent or delayed treatment, and most will still pay ever higher premiums and out of pocket expenses. And health insurance executives will still lavish obscene compensation upon each other (they serve on each others’ boards, you know).
And we’ll be lulled into thinking something was actually “reformed”. But if no bill is passed it will be business as usual, things will get much worse, and enough Americans may finally demand real reform to make it happen.

By: Gerald Pechenuk

Gerald Pechenuk — Fri, 20 Nov 2009 00:21:50 +0000

Why not call it by what it actually is? What do you call it when you deny people mammograms that will save lives, to save money to keep bailouts and bonuses going?
It’s called the “people are useless eaters,” policy.
It is a carbon copy of Hitler’s argument in 1939 when he said there are “lives not worthy of life.”
Hitler said we need the money for the war effort. These guys say they need the money for bailouts.
Remember when Dr. Leo Alexander said at the Nuremberg Trials, NAMELY it was the SMALL STEPS taken by the Nazis in the beginning that led to the GREAT CRIMES of Hitler!!!!!
As a Jew, I will not sit by and let people get away with this useless eaters policy.
We should never have let it happen before, and we should never let it happen now.
NEVER AGAIN!

By: Roger Snyder

Roger Snyder — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 23:59:48 +0000

I can’t add much more. This current bill will set us back for a long time.

I’d say it was more of a sell-out, but really not very much was ever promised to us.

Universal single payer health care was not even allowed to be considered at the hearings. Both the president and congress blocked that method from being considered, and its advocates for taking part in the discussion.

I am disappointed for the people of the country, but not surprised.

By: JustJack

JustJack — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 18:32:32 +0000

Wow. I’m glad to have read Geyman’s critique and now Flier’s as well.

Maybe my inner-redneck is showing up but I can’t help but think of two things everytime I interact with the health care reform thing:

1. No matter how many times I cut this board it just ain’t gittin’ any longer.

2. If somethin’s worth doin,’ it’s worth doin’ right… and doin’ it the first time out.

If “reform” means women don’t control their own bodies anymore and there will still be people uninsured and many more underinsured, then, frankly, that version of “reform” aint’ worth its salt. When you’re one of those that fall through the cracks all the time, it’s a little tough to try to accept the notion that “better than nothing” is something…. it ain’t. It’s still NOTHIN’.

Seems to me both the Hosue and Senate have offered a guaranteed FAIL. Can we just go back to Universal Single Payer already? Only 76% of the American public support it, afterall. This don’t appear to be rocket science but for the greedy parasitic ilk who think it is (and happen to own the process).

By: Hungry Hyaena

Hungry Hyaena — Thu, 19 Nov 2009 03:59:10 +0000

This article by Jeffrey Flier, Dean of Harvard Medical School, sums up the effectiveness of the new bill succinctly. In short, it will only make matters worse. A political victory is not worth further break down.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704431804574539581994054014.html

By: Gerald Socha

Gerald Socha — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 15:28:55 +0000

I have no idea if this bill is good for the consumer. I do not trust our politicians. Health companies say that do not like this bill. It is only a smokescreen for them. They probably love this bill.

I am continually experiencing a BOHICA DAY 24/7 in my country. BOHICA means Bend Over Here It Comes Again.

By: Rich Austin

Rich Austin — Wed, 18 Nov 2009 07:05:05 +0000

Having been active in the struggle for health care justice for a period of time spanning several decades, I have found discernment to be an ally.

Physicians for a National Health Program, the California Nurses Association, and Dr. Geyman are far better informed than are most politicians and some spiritual progressives when it comes to health care. Dr. Geyman, PNHP, and the CNA know why our dysfunctional health care system is the way it is, and they also know how to “cure” it. They know single payer is the answer.

If I want a tour of our nation’s capital a Member of Congress can fix me up. When I have a thirst for spirited discussion regarding social and economic justice, I seek out progressive friends. But when it comes to health care, I’ll put my life in the hands of professional care givers.

And pundits? I’ve discovered they are often a lively, yet ill-informed lot who sometimes cite spokespeople from financial institutions when the subject is really about health care. Really now, who would go to a banker for a physical?