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		<title>By: Asma Uddin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Asma Uddin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Nov 2009 00:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave- that&#039;s exactly what I was trying to get at. Religious freedom applies to people of all faiths or no faith, and of every level of faith.  Only when religion becomes a comfortable part of human discourse can everyone - including the atheists, the moderates, etc. - talk about their beliefs openly. This sort of open discourse can be a potent anti-extremism tool.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave- that&#8217;s exactly what I was trying to get at. Religious freedom applies to people of all faiths or no faith, and of every level of faith.  Only when religion becomes a comfortable part of human discourse can everyone &#8211; including the atheists, the moderates, etc. &#8211; talk about their beliefs openly. This sort of open discourse can be a potent anti-extremism tool.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 21:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was just thinking that one reason Hasan might not have been called on the carpet is that intolerant speech is tolerated already from Christians in far too many venues. My daughter, who has a Jewish surname, was told by Christian children from a young age that she was headed to hell. If she had told me, I would have protested to the adults in charge, but I didn&#039;t learn about it until years later.

It&#039;s sad that no one seemed to notice Hasan&#039;s deterioration even while he worked in a mental health setting. The consequences will make life tougher for other Muslims in the US.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Was just thinking that one reason Hasan might not have been called on the carpet is that intolerant speech is tolerated already from Christians in far too many venues. My daughter, who has a Jewish surname, was told by Christian children from a young age that she was headed to hell. If she had told me, I would have protested to the adults in charge, but I didn&#8217;t learn about it until years later.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s sad that no one seemed to notice Hasan&#8217;s deterioration even while he worked in a mental health setting. The consequences will make life tougher for other Muslims in the US.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave Belden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Belden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 19:06:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Asma, in yesterday&#039;s AP story about how various doctors had suspected Hasan was potentially dangerous, I read:

&quot;The group observed that Hasan repeatedly referred to his strong religious views in discussions with classmates, his superiors and his research work, the official said. But his behavior was not unlike the zeal of others with strong religious views.&quot; (http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/12/MNP71AIU27.DTL#ixzz0Wfmv1jXd)

This makes me wonder about your point above where you say: &quot;While it may be necessary to regulate speech at fora such as Grand Rounds, which is intended for medical rather than religious presentations, it is important to protect religious speech in private conversations between government employees, regardless of their religious background. In fact, free and open religious discourse among employees can not only increase understanding, but may also make it easier to detect and counter extremist rhetoric...&quot;

The military has changed greatly in the last decade or more, in that evangelical Christians have become extremely vocal, proselytizing in ways that totally blur the line between private and official speech. Their rhetoric has rarely been countered effectively. Here&#039;s a piece I wrote about Mikey Weinstein who has been the primary whistleblower on this: http://newhumanist.org.uk/1681/backward-christian-soldiers. I agree with your point but only if religious moderates and progressives, plus atheists and agnostics, get the courage to speak up when religious extremists speak up: at the moment the moderates and atheists tend to keep a low profile and leave the field to the extremists, and it has become acceptable, at least in the case of Christian extremists, to give them way more room than they should be given. In this atmosphere, it seems that these doctors, maybe out of desire not to discriminate against Islam, let Hasan&#039;s ranting go unchallenged. So the real challenge to Americans is engage with our religious extremists of all stripes, most of them Christian and only a few of them Muslims or others (there are some fascistic Hindus out there too as Murli Natrajan&#039;s posts here have shown, and I don&#039;t know who else).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Asma, in yesterday&#8217;s AP story about how various doctors had suspected Hasan was potentially dangerous, I read:</p>
<p>&#8220;The group observed that Hasan repeatedly referred to his strong religious views in discussions with classmates, his superiors and his research work, the official said. But his behavior was not unlike the zeal of others with strong religious views.&#8221; (<a href="http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/12/MNP71AIU27.DTL#ixzz0Wfmv1jXd" rel="nofollow">http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/11/12/MNP71AIU27.DTL#ixzz0Wfmv1jXd</a>)</p>
<p>This makes me wonder about your point above where you say: &#8220;While it may be necessary to regulate speech at fora such as Grand Rounds, which is intended for medical rather than religious presentations, it is important to protect religious speech in private conversations between government employees, regardless of their religious background. In fact, free and open religious discourse among employees can not only increase understanding, but may also make it easier to detect and counter extremist rhetoric&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>The military has changed greatly in the last decade or more, in that evangelical Christians have become extremely vocal, proselytizing in ways that totally blur the line between private and official speech. Their rhetoric has rarely been countered effectively. Here&#8217;s a piece I wrote about Mikey Weinstein who has been the primary whistleblower on this: <a href="http://newhumanist.org.uk/1681/backward-christian-soldiers" rel="nofollow">http://newhumanist.org.uk/1681/backward-christian-soldiers</a>. I agree with your point but only if religious moderates and progressives, plus atheists and agnostics, get the courage to speak up when religious extremists speak up: at the moment the moderates and atheists tend to keep a low profile and leave the field to the extremists, and it has become acceptable, at least in the case of Christian extremists, to give them way more room than they should be given. In this atmosphere, it seems that these doctors, maybe out of desire not to discriminate against Islam, let Hasan&#8217;s ranting go unchallenged. So the real challenge to Americans is engage with our religious extremists of all stripes, most of them Christian and only a few of them Muslims or others (there are some fascistic Hindus out there too as Murli Natrajan&#8217;s posts here have shown, and I don&#8217;t know who else).</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Socha</title>
		<link>http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2009/11/10/open-religious-discourse-can-prevent-a-future-fort-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-2484</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Socha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Nov 2009 13:29:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In my sophomore year in college I had to take a two semester course in Humanities. This course in part was a comparative religion course. It was a great two semesters because Iwas able to see that all religions have beautiful principles in how we treat people. The problem is not the religion; the problem is the person who does not live by the religious principles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my sophomore year in college I had to take a two semester course in Humanities. This course in part was a comparative religion course. It was a great two semesters because Iwas able to see that all religions have beautiful principles in how we treat people. The problem is not the religion; the problem is the person who does not live by the religious principles.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwendoline Y. Fortune</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwendoline Y. Fortune</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 17:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is a sensitive, insightful, thoughtful and knowledgeable presentation. These qualities  are in extremely limited supply among the general populace.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is a sensitive, insightful, thoughtful and knowledgeable presentation. These qualities  are in extremely limited supply among the general populace.</p>
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		<title>By: Aminah Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aminah Carroll</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well and sadly but beautifully delineated, Asma.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well and sadly but beautifully delineated, Asma.</p>
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		<title>By: david pitts</title>
		<link>http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2009/11/10/open-religious-discourse-can-prevent-a-future-fort-hood/comment-page-1/#comment-2471</link>
		<dc:creator>david pitts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Nov 2009 12:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First of all let us pray for the victims of this horrific and cowardly act. The leading Islamic  organizations have condemned this attack as being outside any religous teaching but there is simply too much subtle and not so subtle antisemitism, racism, xenophobia and sexism being taught by these so-called &quot;radicals&quot;. We have to be able to ask critical questions of any religous tradition (religous tradition =what is being practiced and taught today ) without hysteria and or broad accusations.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First of all let us pray for the victims of this horrific and cowardly act. The leading Islamic  organizations have condemned this attack as being outside any religous teaching but there is simply too much subtle and not so subtle antisemitism, racism, xenophobia and sexism being taught by these so-called &#8220;radicals&#8221;. We have to be able to ask critical questions of any religous tradition (religous tradition =what is being practiced and taught today ) without hysteria and or broad accusations.</p>
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