Comments on: A Prize Awarded in Faith http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2009/10/10/a-prize-awarded-in-faith/ A Voice for Tikkun Olam (healing the world) Thu, 09 Feb 2012 13:04:30 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Gerald Socha http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2009/10/10/a-prize-awarded-in-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-1821 Gerald Socha Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:53:12 +0000 http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/?p=5531#comment-1821 Personally I am strongly inclined to a socialized, sigle tiered system. Whether you stay alive or not in justice cannot depend upon one's (as often as not) inherited wealth. - Dr. Erich H. Loewy Need we say more??? Personally I am strongly inclined to a socialized, sigle tiered system. Whether you stay alive or not in justice cannot depend upon one’s (as often as not) inherited wealth. – Dr. Erich H. Loewy

Need we say more???

]]> By: Gerald Socha http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2009/10/10/a-prize-awarded-in-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-1820 Gerald Socha Sun, 11 Oct 2009 19:48:25 +0000 http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/?p=5531#comment-1820 Robert Reich nails it. http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/10/10/nobel/index.html?source=newsletter Robert Reich nails it.

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2009/10/10/nobel/index.html?source=newsletter

]]> By: Dr. Erich H. Loewy http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2009/10/10/a-prize-awarded-in-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-1818 Dr. Erich H. Loewy Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:40:33 +0000 http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/?p=5531#comment-1818 We are at a critical point in our hiatory.No other industrialized country is there not some form of universal health-care. A few linguistic but persistant mistakes.(1) Socialized medicine exist in few countries. In socialized medicine money for the HC system comes from taxation and is handled by the government. It can be single or multiple tiered. (Single tiered sysrems---everyone gets the same of what is needed to achiebe equivalent outcome and no one can buy additional insurance affecting outcome. People are free to buy a "luxury add on" which provides luxuries: TV, private room, etc. However it cannot give briefer waiting times, different physician or nurse staffing etc. Canada, the UK and Scandinavian countries are examples. (2) Single payer is not equivalent to single tiered (though it could be). It means that the money for evfery insured is paid by one organization--be it government or an insurance consortium. (3) Multiple tiered means that everyone is entitled to a basic minimum and if people wish they can get additional private insurance which gives them shorter waiting times, different physiian and staffing of nurses, etc. Example is UK in which NHI (natonal Heath) provides a fairly broad coverage but has enormous and increasing waiting times. It has been shown that waiting time for private insurance has not lengthened appreciably but for NHI is enourmous. Personally I am strongly inclined to a socialized, sigle tiered system. Whether you stay alive or not in justice cannot depend upon one's (as often as not) inherited wealth. As ti quality. Studying health care systems was part of my position. Five or six years ago I became ill but at first continued to travel. During that time I have experienced the Canadian, French, German, Austrian and U.S. H-C systems. Regretfully I have not found any (technically and socially) as bad as the U.S. On the human side, when you enter a hospital or for ambulatory care the yare insulted if you mention payment and insurance. "non, non Monsieur; we take care of sick people. Payment can wait." The difference is radical. I have found the physicians to be superb, open and easy to speak with. We need a decent H-C system NOW. Dr. Erich H. Loewy Professor and Founding Chair, Bioethics (Emeritus) U of CA, Davis ehloewy@ucdavis.edu We are at a critical point in our hiatory.No other industrialized country is there not some form of universal health-care. A few linguistic but persistant mistakes.(1) Socialized medicine exist in few countries. In socialized medicine money for the HC system comes from taxation and is handled by the government. It can be single or multiple tiered. (Single tiered sysrems—everyone gets the same of what is needed to achiebe equivalent outcome and no one can buy additional insurance affecting outcome. People are free to buy a “luxury add on” which provides luxuries: TV, private room, etc. However it cannot give briefer waiting times, different physician or nurse staffing etc. Canada, the UK and Scandinavian countries are examples. (2) Single payer is not equivalent to single tiered (though it could be). It means that the money for evfery insured is paid by one organization–be it government or an insurance consortium. (3) Multiple tiered means that everyone is entitled to a basic minimum and if people wish they can get additional private insurance which gives them shorter waiting times, different physiian and staffing of nurses, etc. Example is UK in which NHI (natonal Heath) provides a fairly broad coverage but has enormous and increasing waiting times. It has been shown that waiting time for private insurance has not lengthened appreciably but for NHI is enourmous.

Personally I am strongly inclined to a socialized, sigle tiered system. Whether you stay alive or not in justice cannot depend upon one’s (as often as not) inherited wealth.

As ti quality. Studying health care systems was part of my position. Five or six years ago I became ill but at first continued to travel. During that time I have experienced the Canadian, French, German, Austrian and U.S. H-C systems. Regretfully I have not found any (technically and socially) as bad as the U.S. On the human side, when you enter a hospital or for ambulatory care the yare insulted if you mention payment and insurance. “non, non Monsieur; we take care of sick people. Payment can wait.” The difference is radical. I have found the physicians to be superb, open and easy to speak with. We need a decent H-C system NOW.

Dr. Erich H. Loewy
Professor and Founding Chair, Bioethics (Emeritus)
U of CA, Davis
ehloewy@ucdavis.edu

]]> By: Gerald Socha http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2009/10/10/a-prize-awarded-in-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-1817 Gerald Socha Sun, 11 Oct 2009 14:35:57 +0000 http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/?p=5531#comment-1817 Let me say that I voted for Barak Obama and I enjoy enjoy reading Valerie's articles. It deeply troubles me to say that I have to burst the bubble of euphoria on this Nobel Prize. Please read Paul Craig Roberts' article of October 10, 2009 - "The Nobel War Prize"! http://original.antiwar.com/roberts/2009/10/09/the-nobel-war-prize/ Let me say that I voted for Barak Obama and I enjoy enjoy reading Valerie’s articles. It deeply troubles me to say that I have to burst the bubble of euphoria on this Nobel Prize.

Please read Paul Craig Roberts’ article of October 10, 2009 – “The Nobel War Prize”!

http://original.antiwar.com/roberts/2009/10/09/the-nobel-war-prize/

]]> By: Aminah Carroll http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2009/10/10/a-prize-awarded-in-faith/comment-page-1/#comment-1813 Aminah Carroll Sun, 11 Oct 2009 08:07:42 +0000 http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/?p=5531#comment-1813 WOW! Thank you God, and thank you TIKKUN for providing this forum and catalyst for voices to articulate insights that make us wiser and better. WOW! Thank you God, and thank you TIKKUN for providing this forum and catalyst for voices to articulate insights that make us wiser and better.

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