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October 21, 2006 07:27
Please omit my previous post.
By mistake I included a hodge podge of rambling notes.
What I actually wanted to post is below.
it’s true that the roadmap to peace has led us to the middle of nowhere, but that doesn’t
mean we should extend the road from nowhere to the edge of a cliff. Levine’s suggestion
of bi-nationalism, whatever that entails, will do just that. Volumes could be written
on what is wrong with the idea, but for the sake brevity I’ll just cover a few points.
I know of no Palestinians who have even mentioned this bi-national idea. Their spectrum
of thought runs from the most rabid, kill the jews and reclaim the land to an appearance of accepting Israel’s right to exist. But even the alleged right to exist is really Israel’s right to exit, for the alleged acceptance is actually a stopgap strategy for the eventual elimination of Israel
as a Jewish state. Any discussion with the “moderates” will eventually reveal
that they want “the right of return.” Granting any such right would be the death knell
of the Jewish state. It would once again make the Jews strangers in a strange land, a
minority whose fate hinges on the sufferance of a Moslem majority. Jews as
barely tolerated guests in their own homeland.
Essentially the Arabs believe that Israel can be destroyed the same way the Crusader
kingdoms were eliminated, that is through temporary treaties until the time is ripe
to destroy the “infidel state.” Levine somehow puts the onus on the early Jewish settlers
for causing the Arab attitudes to harden. It was quite the opposite. The pograms were
started by the Arabs, not the Jews. But a full discussion is beyond the scope of this letter.
“Ahad Ha'am sent a scathing dispatch to the Russian Hebrew-language newspaper Ha Melitz, documenting the mistreatment of Palestinian Arabs by Zionist immigrants.” How so? In the Ottoman empire how would it have been possible for a small number of Jews to mistreat a Moslem majority? It is the Arab belief that the entire Middle East is an Islamic state that is the core animus behind this decades old conflict. If the Arabs accepted Israel as a Jewish state after 1949 there would have been no conflict today.
To quote trite adage, “It takes two to Tango.” Without the Arabs as dancing partners the Jews are merely jerking around the dance floor.
By mistake I included a hodge podge of rambling notes.
What I actually wanted to post is below.
it’s true that the roadmap to peace has led us to the middle of nowhere, but that doesn’t
mean we should extend the road from nowhere to the edge of a cliff. Levine’s suggestion
of bi-nationalism, whatever that entails, will do just that. Volumes could be written
on what is wrong with the idea, but for the sake brevity I’ll just cover a few points.
I know of no Palestinians who have even mentioned this bi-national idea. Their spectrum
of thought runs from the most rabid, kill the jews and reclaim the land to an appearance of accepting Israel’s right to exist. But even the alleged right to exist is really Israel’s right to exit, for the alleged acceptance is actually a stopgap strategy for the eventual elimination of Israel
as a Jewish state. Any discussion with the “moderates” will eventually reveal
that they want “the right of return.” Granting any such right would be the death knell
of the Jewish state. It would once again make the Jews strangers in a strange land, a
minority whose fate hinges on the sufferance of a Moslem majority. Jews as
barely tolerated guests in their own homeland.
Essentially the Arabs believe that Israel can be destroyed the same way the Crusader
kingdoms were eliminated, that is through temporary treaties until the time is ripe
to destroy the “infidel state.” Levine somehow puts the onus on the early Jewish settlers
for causing the Arab attitudes to harden. It was quite the opposite. The pograms were
started by the Arabs, not the Jews. But a full discussion is beyond the scope of this letter.
“Ahad Ha'am sent a scathing dispatch to the Russian Hebrew-language newspaper Ha Melitz, documenting the mistreatment of Palestinian Arabs by Zionist immigrants.” How so? In the Ottoman empire how would it have been possible for a small number of Jews to mistreat a Moslem majority? It is the Arab belief that the entire Middle East is an Islamic state that is the core animus behind this decades old conflict. If the Arabs accepted Israel as a Jewish state after 1949 there would have been no conflict today.
To quote trite adage, “It takes two to Tango.” Without the Arabs as dancing partners the Jews are merely jerking around the dance floor.
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